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Question (type II): bg levels still high.
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> If you have a digital camera could you take a photo and post it? 
This > could open up a whole new way of life for us all. A new internet concept: > VRPO – Virtual Reality Pig Outs. And, when will see the dawn of scratch and > sniff emails!
Oh I have scratch and sniff real mail, I usually manage to spill my food on everything
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Maybe so, for you. But I can’t deal with high sugar content, and tend to spike badly when the carbs are broken down by "fiber" and "sugars", if the fiber count is low and the "sugars" are a high percentage of the total. ie, milk has the same number of sugars as it has total carbs, and it sends my bgs through the roof. BTW, we obviously have different nutritional value sources. My frozen peas show 2/3 cup to be 11 grams carbs, so, say 1/2 cup would be 8 grams, which is what my nutrition software says it is. That same software says 1/2 cup carrots are 8 grams. (I only like fresh carrots, so don’t have any packages in the house.) However, there’s a ton of fiber in peas, almost none in carrots. I’m one of those "a carb is not only a carb" school of thought people. My BG reactions don’t match the GI for certain foods, but when it comes to percentages of fiber and sugar in a given carb, my BGs react like clockwork to the number of "sugars" listed in the carb breakdown. I’ll take a legume anytime over any other type veggie with the same total carbs. CarolC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh my, I could never do that! Carrots are full of sugars, from what > I’ve seen, whereas peas, while high carb, are full of fiber and > protein! In my experience, anyway, carrots shoot my bg’s way up, > peas hardly affect them at all. >Just plain carrots??? How many do you eat? A LARGE carrot (72 grams) >only has 7 carb grams. 1/2 cup peas (80 grams) has 11 grams. A small >onion (70 grams) has 6 carb grams. 1/2 cup of boiled cauliflower (62 >grams) has a whopping 2.5 carb grams! On the other hand, 1/2 cup boiled >potato (78 grams) has 15 carb grams as does 1/2 cup boiled parsnips >(again, 78 grams and for MY carb "money" a far better purchase because >they have so much flavor). Anyway…I’m betting I could make a pretty >bodacious "cottage pi(e)" with one large carrot, 1/4 cup peas, 1/4 cup >chopped onion, with 1/2 cup sauce (thickened with a full tablespoon of >flour – carb cost 6 grams) and topped with 1/2 cup whipped >cauliflower… All for 24 carb grams…not LOW carb, but certainly not >high either… Of course this would be done with no pastry… I would >probably add 1/4 cup of parsnips to it all and bring it up to 31 grams, >but that would work for me…and if it didn’t, I’d cut out the peas >entirely in favor of the carrots and parsnips… >Carol P.
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If you have a digital camera could you take a photo and post it? This could open up a whole new way of life for us all. A new internet concept: VRPO – Virtual Reality Pig Outs. And, when will see the dawn of scratch and sniff emails! Peter
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sure there is, but it will take a lot of adjusting to. Until > then, I > have but dreams of tasty dishes I have known and nightmares about > those I > won’t! > Actually once you get past this initial lowering of bg’s you may well > find you can have things like cottage pie, although in a smaller, > controlled portion. A lot of us have a bit of what we like still. My > favourite cottage pie variation is leftover roast lamb and baked veges > plus peas or beans in a thick rich gravy and topped with mashed > potato. Years ago I used to put grated cheeese and crumbled potato > chips/crisps on top before going under the griller.
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>Actually once you get past this initial lowering of bg’s you may well >find you can have things like cottage pie, although in a smaller, >controlled portion.
Oh my, from your mouth to "the great whoever’s" ears! CarolC 
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> Perhaps you could do it ith carrots >instread of peas and a thinner topping of potatoes on top.
Oh my, I could never do that! Carrots are full of sugars, from what I’ve seen, whereas peas, while high carb, are full of fiber and protein! In my experience, anyway, carrots shoot my bg’s way up, peas hardly affect them at all. CarolC
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> I’m sure there is, but it will take a lot of adjusting to. Until then, I > have but dreams of tasty dishes I have known and nightmares about those I > won’t!
Actually once you get past this initial lowering of bg’s you may well find you can have things like cottage pie, although in a smaller, controlled portion. A lot of us have a bit of what we like still. My favourite cottage pie variation is leftover roast lamb and baked veges plus peas or beans in a thick rich gravy and topped with mashed potato. Years ago I used to put grated cheeese and crumbled potato chips/crisps on top before going under the griller.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dear Peter, welcome to the group. You have been asking such good questions > and getting lots of helpful advice, the specialty here. I noticed that many > of the ladies are having conversations with you…we love a man with a > British accent! My family just returned two weeks ago from a Holiday in > London. My favorite city in the world! It was really sad to see the news > about H & M and the impact on peoples lives, generations of farming history > in danger. Hope can be controlled soon. > Now to my own personal nightmare…waiting 25 years to return to UK and > can’t eat puddings with custard!!!! :0 ( Sure I could have squeezed in a > small portion into my eating plan, but who can have just a few bites!?!?!? > My sad lot in life. At least here, so I’m not tortured, almost no one knows > the joy of warm custard over a raspberry pud!
Isn’t custard a US thing??? Sad. Warm brandy custard over traditional christmas pudding, yum :-)
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> I’m sure there is, but it will take a lot of adjusting to. Until then, I > have but dreams of tasty dishes I have known and nightmares about those I > won’t! > Peter > Same as with women…
Lol
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> Oh my, I could never do that! Carrots are full of sugars, from what > I’ve seen, whereas peas, while high carb, are full of fiber and > protein! In my experience, anyway, carrots shoot my bg’s way up, > peas hardly affect them at all.
Just plain carrots??? How many do you eat? A LARGE carrot (72 grams) only has 7 carb grams. 1/2 cup peas (80 grams) has 11 grams. A small onion (70 grams) has 6 carb grams. 1/2 cup of boiled cauliflower (62 grams) has a whopping 2.5 carb grams! On the other hand, 1/2 cup boiled potato (78 grams) has 15 carb grams as does 1/2 cup boiled parsnips (again, 78 grams and for MY carb "money" a far better purchase because they have so much flavor). Anyway…I’m betting I could make a pretty bodacious "cottage pi(e)" with one large carrot, 1/4 cup peas, 1/4 cup chopped onion, with 1/2 cup sauce (thickened with a full tablespoon of flour – carb cost 6 grams) and topped with 1/2 cup whipped cauliflower… All for 24 carb grams…not LOW carb, but certainly not high either… Of course this would be done with no pastry… I would probably add 1/4 cup of parsnips to it all and bring it up to 31 grams, but that would work for me…and if it didn’t, I’d cut out the peas entirely in favor of the carrots and parsnips… Carol P.
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> Julie, > it’s a sort of traditional English dish so they tell me. It usually contains > beef mince, onions, peas, a juicy stock sauce and a topping of mashed > potato. There are variations on the them I’m sure, but it is quite > delicious…
Sounds sort of like Shepard’s pie. Perhaps you could do it ith carrots instread of peas and a thinner topping of potatoes on top. Or there could be a thickener in the sauce. Just a thought. Now… If I could just figure out a way to have beans on toast. Can’t see any way to lower the carbs in that. *L* — http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/
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Peter
You need to cut > back considerably on carbohydrate-heavy foods like fruit, fruit juice, > bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, etc.
And cottage pi sorry Pete, had to do it.
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> As the weekend comes to an end, I’m scheduled to give my diabetic nurse the > results of my bg level for the first 5 days on Monday. From my initial 26.4 > mmol diagnosis, the last three days have averaged around 10 with the > exception of one self-inflicted spike of 29! How acceptable is an average of > 10? I know I should aim for non-diabetic levels 4-6 therabouts. In the last > 5 days, I’ve tried hard to economise on sugar intake but is 10 mmol such a > big deal? It’s not so far from 6 and a heck of a lot better than 26. I don’t > want to become complacent or let my guard down…
Your numbers are coming down and that’s what’s important. You can’t expect to get it all right in just 5 days. I’d say you’re doing very well! — http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/
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Is there no let up to such brutality! Aaaaaaaaaargh! My kingdom for a cottage pie! Peter
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Peter > You need to cut > back considerably on carbohydrate-heavy foods like fruit, fruit > juice, > bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, etc. > And cottage pi sorry Pete, had to do it.
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What! You mean you are only 32 now! Peter
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As the weekend comes to an end, I’m scheduled to give my diabetic > nurse the > results of my bg level for the first 5 days on Monday. From my > initial 26.4 > mmol diagnosis, the last three days have averaged around 10 with the > exception of one self-inflicted spike of 29! How acceptable is an > average of > 10? I know I should aim for non-diabetic levels 4-6 therabouts. In > the last > 5 days, I’ve tried hard to economise on sugar intake but is 10 mmol > such a > big deal? It’s not so far from 6 and a heck of a lot better than 26. > I don’t > want to become complacent or let my guard down.. > It’s not bad after only 5 days even given the fact you were given > insulin which some aren’t. Don’t stress it, you will reach normal, I > feel it in my bones. Once you know what foods you can eat that won’t > give you a rise you will remember it forever. You will be very aware > when you are about to eat something not so good. I still remember how > I should eat for the weight watchers diet I was on 31 years ago
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> Is there no let up to such brutality! Aaaaaaaaaargh! My kingdom for a > cottage pie!
What exactly is IN a cottage pie? You might not have to give it up. Could be that you could change a few ingredients or something. — http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/
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> What! You mean you are only 32 now!
I was a fat baby???
I still remember how – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I should eat for the weight watchers diet I was on 31 years ago
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> Is there no let up to such brutality! Aaaaaaaaaargh! My kingdom for a > cottage pie!
Oh dear, I hate to see grown men cry. There is life after cottage pie, trust me!
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I’m sure there is, but it will take a lot of adjusting to. Until then, I have but dreams of tasty dishes I have known and nightmares about those I won’t! Peter
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is there no let up to such brutality! Aaaaaaaaaargh! My kingdom for > a > cottage pie! > Oh dear, I hate to see grown men cry. There is life after cottage pie, > trust me!
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Julie, it’s a sort of traditional English dish so they tell me. It usually contains beef mince, onions, peas, a juicy stock sauce and a topping of mashed potato. There are variations on the them I’m sure, but it is quite delicious… Peter
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is there no let up to such brutality! Aaaaaaaaaargh! My kingdom for a > cottage pie! > What exactly is IN a cottage pie? You might not have to give it up. Could > be that you could change a few ingredients or something. > — > http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/
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> Julie, > it’s a sort of traditional English dish so they tell me. It usually contains > beef mince, onions, peas, a juicy stock sauce and a topping of mashed > potato. There are variations on the them I’m sure, but it is quite > delicious…
So…increase the onions, reduce the peas, add something else…celery, mushrooms, broccoli. Be careful about thickening the sauce…try reducing it by boiling it first…concentrates the flavor…then thicken slightly…maybe not as thick as usual…1 – 1/2 T flour to a cup of liquid rather than the usual 2 tablespoons. Top with mashed cauliflower (trust us on this…it’s good). If you’ve been having it with a bottom crust, try eliminating that if the other changes don’t allow you to eat it without adverse bg effect. It won’t be *quite* the same, but may be better than nothing…conversely, you may be able to fix it without the crust and leave the rest the way you’ve been having it…depends on you, your body, etc. Or…you may want to settle for a very small serving of the traditional dish and augment it with a huge salad. There are some things that I don’t care to modify…I want them just as I’ve always had them and am willing to reduce portion size to accomodate them…and willing to hop on a stationary bike right after eating if I just *have* to have something which will give me a problem…exercise is a marvelous tool… Carol P.
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> I’m sure there is, but it will take a lot of adjusting to. Until then, I > have but dreams of tasty dishes I have known and nightmares about those I > won’t! > Peter
Same as with women… > > Is there no let up to such brutality! Aaaaaaaaaargh! My kingdom for > a > > cottage pie! > Oh dear, I hate to see grown men cry. There is life after cottage pie, > trust me!
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Dear Peter, welcome to the group. You have been asking such good questions and getting lots of helpful advice, the specialty here. I noticed that many of the ladies are having conversations with you…we love a man with a British accent! My family just returned two weeks ago from a Holiday in London. My favorite city in the world! It was really sad to see the news about H & M and the impact on peoples lives, generations of farming history in danger. Hope can be controlled soon. Now to my own personal nightmare…waiting 25 years to return to UK and can’t eat puddings with custard!!!! :0 ( Sure I could have squeezed in a small portion into my eating plan, but who can have just a few bites!?!?!? My sad lot in life. At least here, so I’m not tortured, almost no one knows the joy of warm custard over a raspberry pud! Or the chocolate tart at the local cafe where they humored me and put an extra large glop of custard for the ever fattening American. :0 ) Memories! Chris
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sure there is, but it will take a lot of adjusting to. Until then, I > have but dreams of tasty dishes I have known and nightmares about those I > won’t! > Peter > > Is there no let up to such brutality! Aaaaaaaaaargh! My kingdom for > a > > cottage pie! > Oh dear, I hate to see grown men cry. There is life after cottage pie, > trust me!
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> As the weekend comes to an end, I’m scheduled to give my diabetic nurse the > results of my bg level for the first 5 days on Monday. From my initial 26.4 > mmol diagnosis, the last three days have averaged around 10 with the > exception of one self-inflicted spike of 29! How acceptable is an average of > 10? I know I should aim for non-diabetic levels 4-6 therabouts. In the last > 5 days, I’ve tried hard to economise on sugar intake but is 10 mmol such a > big deal? It’s not so far from 6 and a heck of a lot better than 26. I don’t > want to become complacent or let my guard down..
It’s not bad after only 5 days even given the fact you were given insulin which some aren’t. Don’t stress it, you will reach normal, I feel it in my bones. Once you know what foods you can eat that won’t give you a rise you will remember it forever. You will be very aware when you are about to eat something not so good. I still remember how I should eat for the weight watchers diet I was on 31 years ago
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>As the weekend comes to an end, I’m scheduled to give my diabetic nurse the >results of my bg level for the first 5 days on Monday. From my initial 26.4 >mmol diagnosis, the last three days have averaged around 10 with the >exception of one self-inflicted spike of 29! How acceptable is an average of >10? I know I should aim for non-diabetic levels 4-6 therabouts. In the last >5 days, I’ve tried hard to economise on sugar intake but is 10 mmol such a >big deal? It’s not so far from 6 and a heck of a lot better than 26. I don’t >want to become complacent or let my guard down…
It’s not very acceptable, to my way of thinking. an average of 10 correlates to an approximate HbA1c value of about 8%. If you look at this retinopathy chart here: http://www.amarillomed.com/Retinopathy_files/slide0002_image002.gif You can see a pretty big increase in risk of retinopathy within 10 years between HbA1c’s of 7% and 8% Staying *well* below 7% (an average of about 8 mmol) is very much worth it. — dx as Type 1 in Mar 00, joyfully pumpin’ since October! "I’d rather be loved by only me, than create a facade and be loved by no one." — wombn "Never give up", Winston Churchill www.mindspring.com/~wombn On ANY "advice" I give here: I expect you to research it and confirm it independently
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As the weekend comes to an end, I’m scheduled to give my diabetic nurse the results of my bg level for the first 5 days on Monday. From my initial 26.4 mmol diagnosis, the last three days have averaged around 10 with the exception of one self-inflicted spike of 29! How acceptable is an average of 10? I know I should aim for non-diabetic levels 4-6 therabouts. In the last 5 days, I’ve tried hard to economise on sugar intake but is 10 mmol such a big deal? It’s not so far from 6 and a heck of a lot better than 26. I don’t want to become complacent or let my guard down… Peter