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Internet Cafes & Digital Cameras
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>Assuming you can get the camera attached to the PC in an internet cafe >or
<snip> > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures.
I thought about this before I went on holiday recently. Apart from buying lots more smartcards, the only answer I could come up with was to bring my laptop and store the images on this. But I decided it was too heavy to take (it’s a Dell Inspiron), so I ended up bringing my SLR instead. This worked out the best, as I had more flexibility with the SLR, and I could scan the images at home once I had them developed and printed, with better results. — congokid Eating out in London? Read my tips… http://www.congokid.com
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> Just get a memory card can store over 300 > pictures on a 16MB card…
More like 16 photos, not 300.
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I just got back from my trip to Italy (wonderful, of course), so I missed the first post in this thread, but I took my Sony Mavica FD88 and 30 diskettes (used 17, abt 22 per diskette set at 640×480). I planned to use internet cafes and did manage to find one in each of the cities we visited – Milan, Venice, Florence, Rome, and Bellagio. They were not quite so easy to find as I had thought, however, and the quality varied greatly from one to another. I had set up space at www.driveway.com, www.idrive.com, and http://www.myfamily.com , to store pictures, but only used the last site. In Milan, the place recommended by our hotel was tiny – only about 10 computers – and speed so slow that it was impossible to upload anything. The best place was in Venice, in Campo Santo Stefano – lots of very fast computers AND in English, even a cafe. In Florence, we never could find the one (NetCafe?) that was close to our hotel in Piazza Annunziata, and the one we finally found near Santa Maria Novella, was just Internet, and no floppy drive. In Rome, we only had a short time to use one – can’t even remember where it was now. In Bellagio, we found *a* computer in a bar, but it was the least expensive of any we found, although the cost was not excessive anywhere. In Milan and Venice, we paid at the end of the usage time, but in Florence and Rome, we had to specify how much time we wanted and pay up front – didn’t like this so well because it felt like a race against a clock (which it was). We would pass great looking Internet places while we were walking from one sight to another, but they never seemed to be close to where we were when we had time to use the service. Besides, who wants to spend a bunch of time using a computer, when there are so many fabulous things to see in Italy?! In short, I was able to upload pics taken from Milan to Venice, but never wanted to take the time for anything but checking e-mail after that. I saw more Mavicas in use than any other digital camera, and mine received quite a bit of attention from a waiter in a cafe in Piazza Navona, in Rome. He was entranced with it and delighted when we asked him to take our picture. He kind of turned up his nose when my daughter asked him to take a picture with her ordinary 35 mm. Gail
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Assuming you can get the camera attached to the PC in an internet >cafe or resource centre – which I am sure you will if you look >around you could email them back to home using a web based email >program like Hotmail or set up an account with something like >x:drive (www.xdrive.com) where you can upload pics from your >browser. > It takes more than simply attaching a cable. You have to have a > driver installed that will recognize the camera. And then you > usually have to reboot the computer with the camera connected and > turned on. > — > * Daly City California * > ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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>> Just get a memory card can store over 300 > pictures on a 16MB card… >More like 16 photos, not 300.
The 8Mb flash card in the Olympus D-400Z in front of me will hold over 120 480×640 photos or 36 960×1280 photos. These are JPEGed, though. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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Just get a memory card can store over 300 pictures on a 16MB card…easy and convienient only cost around 100 dollars not a lot if your considering purchasing a new camera anyway. Before you buy.
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>Just get a memory card can store over 300 pictures on a 16MB >card…easy and convienient only cost around 100 dollars not a lot if >your considering purchasing a new camera anyway.
That sounds like 480×640 pixels, which may be just fine. That means the flashcard holds the equivalent of eight rolls of 36 frame film. Take the cost of that film, add in the developing cost and you’ve probably already saved money. The consider all the pictures you would pay for developing but that turned out so bad they’re wasted, but which you could have deleted in the camera, and you save even more. If you’re in the USA You should be able to cut that $100 in half vy some judicious shopping. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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>Assuming you can get the camera attached to the PC in an internet >cafe or resource centre – which I am sure you will if you look >around you could email them back to home using a web based email >program like Hotmail or set up an account with something like >x:drive (www.xdrive.com) where you can upload pics from your >browser.
It takes more than simply attaching a cable. You have to have a driver installed that will recognize the camera. And then you usually have to reboot the computer with the camera connected and turned on. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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Assuming you can get the camera attached to the PC in an internet cafe or resource centre – which I am sure you will if you look around you could email them back to home using a web based email program like Hotmail or set up an account with something like x:drive (www.xdrive.com) where you can upload pics from your browser. http://go.to/bakpak
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the better. Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think. > Thanks all, > Kris > Before you buy.
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>People often make the mistake of thinking high resolution means >quality. It actually means size. I select medium resolution and >extra sharp focus and get photos about 50 kb.
480×640 pixels is 480×640 pixels. All the fancy cameras and sharp focus in the world can’t make it better. Although, bad cameras and bad focus can make it worse. and given the same conditions, a 960×1280 picture is better. Of course, it depends on what you’re viewing it on. If you’re only going to be looking at 480×640 pictures on a 480×640 computer screen, or worse, a TV screen, extra pixellage won’t help unl;ess you want to pan and scan. But just try printing out 8×10 prints on a good color laserjet of both sizes and the difference will be obvious. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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I had this same dilemma. The Sony Mavica line does use regular floppy disk storage, but given the weight of adding a couple boxes of floppies to my luggage, I decided just to get a second memory card for my older, less-than-a-megapixel Epson and go with that, and give up on sending pictures back during the trip. Between the two cards I’ll have storage for about 400 pictures at the higher resolution size, and since I can delete on the fly, I’ll probably come back with less than that in "keepers" anyway. It would be nice to be able to send pictures back directly, but there are SO many great pictures of places in Europe on the Web, I can probably just send them a URL of exactly where I went and my friends will see a better shot than I’m probably going to get anyway. "OK, here’s what the place I went looked like WITHOUT the pouring rain…" This being my first trip to Europe, I don’t know how much to expect from Internet cafes. I work in a place that has public Internet workstations, but we do not allow users to go fiddling round back with cables or installing software. Besides – if you send them the photos while you’re on the trip, how can you expect to pin them down for the obligatory slide show afterwards? (grin) ..jenny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the better. Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think. > Thanks all, > Kris > Before you buy.
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>> Netscape can be used to upload files. >How would you be able to read the files from your compact-flash >card or floppy? Most Internet cafes make no provisions for either >of these things.
Our office camera came with a metal thing like a floppy you stick the flash memory in and then put it in the floppy slot. I’ve never gotten it to work and always end up using the cable. But you have a problem since either method requires loading a driver on the computer. I’m hoping to take a digital camera on my next trip to Europe and I’m going to have to solve this problem myself. I suppose I could get a bare bones laptop to create floppies on. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that > Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I > can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, > therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can > I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can > take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can > read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? > Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better > choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the > better. > Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the > digital cameras that use floppy disks for media. > Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were > running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think. > FWIW, I have experience with only a single internet cafe in > Europe (in Venice), but they ran Windows there.
It would of course depend on the Internet Cafe but there *are* programs that allow FTP under Windows. Jim. — James V. Silverton Potomac, Maryland.
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>It would of course depend on the Internet Cafe but there *are* >programs that allow FTP under Windows.
Including the program ftp which comes with Windows above 3.1. It is a text-based box, though, so you have to know your ftp commands. You can find it from Start, Run, then type in ftp. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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I went through this same thought process for an upcoming France trip. I finally decided that I had to have the onboard memory and got the IBM Microdrive. Think about it: – First you must find a public Internet site. – Then you must upload your pix from camera to PC. If serial port, extremely slow. Harder to find USB. In either case you’ll have to install download software on their PC, do you think they’ll let you? – Then you must upload your pix to your own account, either email or ftp. Either way you’re almost certainly talking about a 56K transfer, max. Each picture file will be 500K – 2-3MB. It will take a long time. —
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People often make the mistake of thinking high resolution means quality. It actually means size. I select medium resolution and extra sharp focus and get photos about 50 kb.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the digital >cameras that use floppy disks for media. > Unfortunately, a single floppy cannot hold much in the way of > decent high-resolution pictures. > — > * Daly City California * > ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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>At least in Paris, the options seem to be extremely limited. >There are quite a few Internet cafes, but they seem to be equipped >only for Web surfing and the like. No CF readers, no CD burners, >no FTP, no nothing, except for the absolute basics. I wonder how >they’ll survive when the population finally decides to actually go >out and buy PCs for the home, instead of treating Web surfing like >a night at the opera.
Netscape can be used to upload files. I’m also going to guess that you might be able to ftp on these computers by clicking on Start, Run and then entering ‘ftp’. The problem will be the download, and it might be worthwhile to carry a dozen floppies and a camera that uses them, since an internet cafe may be reluctant to have you plug a camera into a serial port. I’ve not been able to get the pseudo-floppy that holds the flash memory to work on my computer. Not to mention that this requires a reboot before the computer will recognize the camera or pseudo-floppy. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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> The pictures (all decent high-resolution ones) > run between 50 and 110K.
50 KB and high-resolution cannot logically occur together in the same sentence. 110 KB is aggressive compression and very small image size (no more than 800×600 or so). Still not high-resolution. High-resolution is around a megabyte per shot, or at least 800-900 KB, although it can be argued that high resolution starts around 12,000 KB.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the >digital > >cameras that use floppy disks for media. > Unfortunately, a single floppy cannot hold much in the way >of > decent high-resolution pictures. >I don’t own such a camera, but I happen to have one diskette >here taken with one. The pictures (all decent >high-resolution ones) run between 50 and 110K. >So a floppy would hold roughly a dozen or two pictures. Yes, flash >memory cards can hold more and are smaller. But diskettes are much >cheaper, and still small enough that they are easy to carry. And a >dozen or two pictures isn’t too bad.
There’s a considerable difference between a dozen and two dozen, especially on the kind of trip where one might shoot off a dozen or so rolls of 24-frame film. >As with many things, there’s a tradeoff involved. Based on the >question asked, I thought this person *might* find this a decent >tradeoff for him.
I personally don’t consider 480×640 pixel photos acceptable. But it’s obviously a personal preference. The 8Mb flash card in our department camera, which I sometimes borrow, holds 24 frames at a decent 980×1280, and it makes quite a difference, especially on printouts. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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>Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the digital >cameras that use floppy disks for media.
Unfortunately, a single floppy cannot hold much in the way of decent high-resolution pictures. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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>Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the digital >cameras that use floppy disks for media. > Unfortunately, a single floppy cannot hold much in the way of > decent high-resolution pictures.
I don’t own such a camera, but I happen to have one diskette here taken with one. The pictures (all decent high-resolution ones) run between 50 and 110K. So a floppy would hold roughly a dozen or two pictures. Yes, flash memory cards can hold more and are smaller. But diskettes are much cheaper, and still small enough that they are easy to carry. And a dozen or two pictures isn’t too bad. As with many things, there’s a tradeoff involved. Based on the question asked, I thought this person *might* find this a decent tradeoff for him. — Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup.
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At least in Paris, the options seem to be extremely limited. There are quite a few Internet cafes, but they seem to be equipped only for Web surfing and the like. No CF readers, no CD burners, no FTP, no nothing, except for the absolute basics. I wonder how they’ll survive when the population finally decides to actually go out and buy PCs for the home, instead of treating Web surfing like a night at the opera.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the better. Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think. > Thanks all, > Kris > Before you buy.
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> Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the > digital cameras that use floppy disks for media.
A floppy disk can’t even hold one picture at high resolution, much less several. You’d need to bring cases full of floppies, and carry them with you everywhere. > FWIW, I have experience with only a single > internet cafe in Europe (in Venice), but they > ran Windows there.
Windows is the rule in Paris, although I think I’ve seen a few Macs.
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Open an album site at Yahoo and MSN and post them right up to your site. I did find the color quality dimmed on those sites, however. I used a medium resolution and didn’t anywhere near fill my 20 MB card. Yahoo allows you 15 MB of files, I don’t know what MSN offers. You could also open an account at Driveway.com. Then you can just store the files. The beginning free account isn’t very big, however. About 8 MB?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the better. Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think. > Thanks all, > Kris > Before you buy.
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Hi all. I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the better. Also, if I recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, so USB will be scarce, I would think. Thanks all, Kris Before you buy.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the
better. Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the digital cameras that use floppy disks for media. > Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think.
FWIW, I have experience with only a single internet cafe in Europe (in Venice), but they ran Windows there. — Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup.
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Hi all. I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the better. Also, if I recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, so USB will be scarce, I would think. Thanks all, Kris Before you buy.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the
better. Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the digital cameras that use floppy disks for media. > Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think.
FWIW, I have experience with only a single internet cafe in Europe (in Venice), but they ran Windows there. — Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup.
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Open an album site at Yahoo and MSN and post them right up to your site. I did find the color quality dimmed on those sites, however. I used a medium resolution and didn’t anywhere near fill my 20 MB card. Yahoo allows you 15 MB of files, I don’t know what MSN offers. You could also open an account at Driveway.com. Then you can just store the files. The beginning free account isn’t very big, however. About 8 MB?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the better. Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think. > Thanks all, > Kris > Before you buy.
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>Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the digital >cameras that use floppy disks for media.
Unfortunately, a single floppy cannot hold much in the way of decent high-resolution pictures. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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>Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the digital >cameras that use floppy disks for media. > Unfortunately, a single floppy cannot hold much in the way of > decent high-resolution pictures.
I don’t own such a camera, but I happen to have one diskette here taken with one. The pictures (all decent high-resolution ones) run between 50 and 110K. So a floppy would hold roughly a dozen or two pictures. Yes, flash memory cards can hold more and are smaller. But diskettes are much cheaper, and still small enough that they are easy to carry. And a dozen or two pictures isn’t too bad. As with many things, there’s a tradeoff involved. Based on the question asked, I thought this person *might* find this a decent tradeoff for him. — Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup.
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At least in Paris, the options seem to be extremely limited. There are quite a few Internet cafes, but they seem to be equipped only for Web surfing and the like. No CF readers, no CD burners, no FTP, no nothing, except for the absolute basics. I wonder how they’ll survive when the population finally decides to actually go out and buy PCs for the home, instead of treating Web surfing like a night at the opera.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the better. Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think. > Thanks all, > Kris > Before you buy.
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> Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the > digital cameras that use floppy disks for media.
A floppy disk can’t even hold one picture at high resolution, much less several. You’d need to bring cases full of floppies, and carry them with you everywhere. > FWIW, I have experience with only a single > internet cafe in Europe (in Venice), but they > ran Windows there.
Windows is the rule in Paris, although I think I’ve seen a few Macs.
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> The pictures (all decent high-resolution ones) > run between 50 and 110K.
50 KB and high-resolution cannot logically occur together in the same sentence. 110 KB is aggressive compression and very small image size (no more than 800×600 or so). Still not high-resolution. High-resolution is around a megabyte per shot, or at least 800-900 KB, although it can be argued that high resolution starts around 12,000 KB.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the >digital > >cameras that use floppy disks for media. > Unfortunately, a single floppy cannot hold much in the way >of > decent high-resolution pictures. >I don’t own such a camera, but I happen to have one diskette >here taken with one. The pictures (all decent >high-resolution ones) run between 50 and 110K. >So a floppy would hold roughly a dozen or two pictures. Yes, flash >memory cards can hold more and are smaller. But diskettes are much >cheaper, and still small enough that they are easy to carry. And a >dozen or two pictures isn’t too bad.
There’s a considerable difference between a dozen and two dozen, especially on the kind of trip where one might shoot off a dozen or so rolls of 24-frame film. >As with many things, there’s a tradeoff involved. Based on the >question asked, I thought this person *might* find this a decent >tradeoff for him.
I personally don’t consider 480×640 pixel photos acceptable. But it’s obviously a personal preference. The 8Mb flash card in our department camera, which I sometimes borrow, holds 24 frames at a decent 980×1280, and it makes quite a difference, especially on printouts. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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>At least in Paris, the options seem to be extremely limited. >There are quite a few Internet cafes, but they seem to be equipped >only for Web surfing and the like. No CF readers, no CD burners, >no FTP, no nothing, except for the absolute basics. I wonder how >they’ll survive when the population finally decides to actually go >out and buy PCs for the home, instead of treating Web surfing like >a night at the opera.
Netscape can be used to upload files. I’m also going to guess that you might be able to ftp on these computers by clicking on Start, Run and then entering ‘ftp’. The problem will be the download, and it might be worthwhile to carry a dozen floppies and a camera that uses them, since an internet cafe may be reluctant to have you plug a camera into a serial port. I’ve not been able to get the pseudo-floppy that holds the flash memory to work on my computer. Not to mention that this requires a reboot before the computer will recognize the camera or pseudo-floppy. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that > Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I > can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, > therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can > I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can > take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can > read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? > Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better > choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the > better. > Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the > digital cameras that use floppy disks for media. > Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were > running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think. > FWIW, I have experience with only a single internet cafe in > Europe (in Venice), but they ran Windows there.
It would of course depend on the Internet Cafe but there *are* programs that allow FTP under Windows. Jim. — James V. Silverton Potomac, Maryland.
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>It would of course depend on the Internet Cafe but there *are* >programs that allow FTP under Windows.
Including the program ftp which comes with Windows above 3.1. It is a text-based box, though, so you have to know your ftp commands. You can find it from Start, Run, then type in ftp. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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I went through this same thought process for an upcoming France trip. I finally decided that I had to have the onboard memory and got the IBM Microdrive. Think about it: – First you must find a public Internet site. – Then you must upload your pix from camera to PC. If serial port, extremely slow. Harder to find USB. In either case you’ll have to install download software on their PC, do you think they’ll let you? – Then you must upload your pix to your own account, either email or ftp. Either way you’re almost certainly talking about a 56K transfer, max. Each picture file will be 500K – 2-3MB. It will take a long time. —
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People often make the mistake of thinking high resolution means quality. It actually means size. I select medium resolution and extra sharp focus and get photos about 50 kb.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Instead, you might want to consider buying one of the digital >cameras that use floppy disks for media. > Unfortunately, a single floppy cannot hold much in the way of > decent high-resolution pictures. > — > * Daly City California * > ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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I had this same dilemma. The Sony Mavica line does use regular floppy disk storage, but given the weight of adding a couple boxes of floppies to my luggage, I decided just to get a second memory card for my older, less-than-a-megapixel Epson and go with that, and give up on sending pictures back during the trip. Between the two cards I’ll have storage for about 400 pictures at the higher resolution size, and since I can delete on the fly, I’ll probably come back with less than that in "keepers" anyway. It would be nice to be able to send pictures back directly, but there are SO many great pictures of places in Europe on the Web, I can probably just send them a URL of exactly where I went and my friends will see a better shot than I’m probably going to get anyway. "OK, here’s what the place I went looked like WITHOUT the pouring rain…" This being my first trip to Europe, I don’t know how much to expect from Internet cafes. I work in a place that has public Internet workstations, but we do not allow users to go fiddling round back with cables or installing software. Besides – if you send them the photos while you’re on the trip, how can you expect to pin them down for the obligatory slide show afterwards? (grin) ..jenny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the better. Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think. > Thanks all, > Kris > Before you buy.
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>People often make the mistake of thinking high resolution means >quality. It actually means size. I select medium resolution and >extra sharp focus and get photos about 50 kb.
480×640 pixels is 480×640 pixels. All the fancy cameras and sharp focus in the world can’t make it better. Although, bad cameras and bad focus can make it worse. and given the same conditions, a 960×1280 picture is better. Of course, it depends on what you’re viewing it on. If you’re only going to be looking at 480×640 pictures on a 480×640 computer screen, or worse, a TV screen, extra pixellage won’t help unl;ess you want to pan and scan. But just try printing out 8×10 prints on a good color laserjet of both sizes and the difference will be obvious. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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>> Netscape can be used to upload files. >How would you be able to read the files from your compact-flash >card or floppy? Most Internet cafes make no provisions for either >of these things.
Our office camera came with a metal thing like a floppy you stick the flash memory in and then put it in the floppy slot. I’ve never gotten it to work and always end up using the cable. But you have a problem since either method requires loading a driver on the computer. I’m hoping to take a digital camera on my next trip to Europe and I’m going to have to solve this problem myself. I suppose I could get a bare bones laptop to create floppies on. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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Assuming you can get the camera attached to the PC in an internet cafe or resource centre – which I am sure you will if you look around you could email them back to home using a web based email program like Hotmail or set up an account with something like x:drive (www.xdrive.com) where you can upload pics from your browser. http://go.to/bakpak
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all. > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures. Would I want a floppy disc adapter so I can read the digital > film like it was a disc, then just email the pictures? Can you FTP > from computers in internet cafes? Is there a better choice? Remember > I’ll usually have to pay as I go, so the faster the better. Also, if I > recall, the majority of the internet cafes I was at were running Linux, > so USB will be scarce, I would think. > Thanks all, > Kris > Before you buy.
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>Assuming you can get the camera attached to the PC in an internet >cafe or resource centre – which I am sure you will if you look >around you could email them back to home using a web based email >program like Hotmail or set up an account with something like >x:drive (www.xdrive.com) where you can upload pics from your >browser.
It takes more than simply attaching a cable. You have to have a driver installed that will recognize the camera. And then you usually have to reboot the computer with the camera connected and turned on. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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Just get a memory card can store over 300 pictures on a 16MB card…easy and convienient only cost around 100 dollars not a lot if your considering purchasing a new camera anyway. Before you buy.
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>Just get a memory card can store over 300 pictures on a 16MB >card…easy and convienient only cost around 100 dollars not a lot if >your considering purchasing a new camera anyway.
That sounds like 480×640 pixels, which may be just fine. That means the flashcard holds the equivalent of eight rolls of 36 frame film. Take the cost of that film, add in the developing cost and you’ve probably already saved money. The consider all the pictures you would pay for developing but that turned out so bad they’re wasted, but which you could have deleted in the camera, and you save even more. If you’re in the USA You should be able to cut that $100 in half vy some judicious shopping. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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> Just get a memory card can store over 300 > pictures on a 16MB card…
More like 16 photos, not 300.
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I just got back from my trip to Italy (wonderful, of course), so I missed the first post in this thread, but I took my Sony Mavica FD88 and 30 diskettes (used 17, abt 22 per diskette set at 640×480). I planned to use internet cafes and did manage to find one in each of the cities we visited – Milan, Venice, Florence, Rome, and Bellagio. They were not quite so easy to find as I had thought, however, and the quality varied greatly from one to another. I had set up space at www.driveway.com, www.idrive.com, and http://www.myfamily.com , to store pictures, but only used the last site. In Milan, the place recommended by our hotel was tiny – only about 10 computers – and speed so slow that it was impossible to upload anything. The best place was in Venice, in Campo Santo Stefano – lots of very fast computers AND in English, even a cafe. In Florence, we never could find the one (NetCafe?) that was close to our hotel in Piazza Annunziata, and the one we finally found near Santa Maria Novella, was just Internet, and no floppy drive. In Rome, we only had a short time to use one – can’t even remember where it was now. In Bellagio, we found *a* computer in a bar, but it was the least expensive of any we found, although the cost was not excessive anywhere. In Milan and Venice, we paid at the end of the usage time, but in Florence and Rome, we had to specify how much time we wanted and pay up front – didn’t like this so well because it felt like a race against a clock (which it was). We would pass great looking Internet places while we were walking from one sight to another, but they never seemed to be close to where we were when we had time to use the service. Besides, who wants to spend a bunch of time using a computer, when there are so many fabulous things to see in Italy?! In short, I was able to upload pics taken from Milan to Venice, but never wanted to take the time for anything but checking e-mail after that. I saw more Mavicas in use than any other digital camera, and mine received quite a bit of attention from a waiter in a cafe in Piazza Navona, in Rome. He was entranced with it and delighted when we asked him to take our picture. He kind of turned up his nose when my daughter asked him to take a picture with her ordinary 35 mm. Gail
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Assuming you can get the camera attached to the PC in an internet >cafe or resource centre – which I am sure you will if you look >around you could email them back to home using a web based email >program like Hotmail or set up an account with something like >x:drive (www.xdrive.com) where you can upload pics from your >browser. > It takes more than simply attaching a cable. You have to have a > driver installed that will recognize the camera. And then you > usually have to reboot the computer with the camera connected and > turned on. > — > * Daly City California * > ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******
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>Assuming you can get the camera attached to the PC in an internet cafe >or
<snip> > I’m considering buying a digital camera. It seems that Internet Cafes > are sprouting up all over Europe, so I’d like to know if I can do > this. I can’t afford the HUGE memory card for the camera, therefore > I’ll have somewhat limited storage in the camera. How can I send the > photos back home, thereby emptying the memory so I can take more > pictures.
I thought about this before I went on holiday recently. Apart from buying lots more smartcards, the only answer I could come up with was to bring my laptop and store the images on this. But I decided it was too heavy to take (it’s a Dell Inspiron), so I ended up bringing my SLR instead. This worked out the best, as I had more flexibility with the SLR, and I could scan the images at home once I had them developed and printed, with better results. — congokid Eating out in London? Read my tips… http://www.congokid.com
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>> Just get a memory card can store over 300 > pictures on a 16MB card… >More like 16 photos, not 300.
The 8Mb flash card in the Olympus D-400Z in front of me will hold over 120 480×640 photos or 36 960×1280 photos. These are JPEGed, though. — * Daly City California * ******* My typos are intentional copyright traps ******