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Another Pitbull Tragedy
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>She is not to blame for what happens to her, or her inability to leave on her
own. That is just as bad as blaming the rape victim in my mind.>> Suz, Completely backwards. If a woman is raped, she’s not to blame. But, if the woman goes back to the rapist’s home and gets raped by him again, then I don’t feel as sorry for her. Bill
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Not quite, but I see the fault in my analogy (I should have been clearer and thought instead of just typing, the heat of the moment 
. I should have just said that it isn’t as cut and dry as you made it seem. Most of the time, the woman has psychological issues that prevent her from leaving and cause her to go back. She is unable to act as a reasonable/objective person in the same regard as someone who hasn’t been through what she has been through. I’m talking about Battered Women’s Syndrome, which often explains why a woman won’t leave or press charges against her husband (that is why we need to have all those shelters so we can either help them get help or when they "come around" they can get it themselves). http://www.ozemail.com.au/~rkaplan/papers/battered_woman.html http://www.rea-alp.com/~ymwcwrap/psych.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->She is not to blame for what happens to her, or her inability to leave on her > own. That > is just as bad as blaming the rape victim in my mind.>> > Suz, > Completely backwards. If a woman is raped, she’s not to blame. But, if the > woman goes back to the rapist’s home and gets raped by him again, then I don’t > feel as sorry for her. > Bill
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So what if a child is there. Is there no possibility that the dog was protecting his den? Remember that it was also allegedly that the dog lunged. We only know this from the officers who felt the need to draw their guns and take matters into their own hands. Shouldn’t animal control (i.e. people who should have training and experience in these situations) be the ones to decide in a situation like this. Call me sympathetic to the plight of persecuted breeds (I own 2 rotties myself.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What if it was a child that the pitbull was lunged at. Would you still feel >sorry for the dog? >x-no-archive:yes >OVERNIGHT NEWS….(VIA WUSA-TV 9) >Apparently, Fairfax County (Va.) police were called to a home for a >domestic violence call. Two officers responded. Upon arrival, the >owners’ Pitbull (allegedly) lunged at an officer. >Then both officers drew their guns to shoot the dog. >One officer’s bullet hits the dog and the other officer shoots the >first officer in the leg. Sheesh! >The Pitbull was alive and was shown (on camera) being carried away on a >stretcher into an animal control van. Then another scene shows a >helicopter airlifting the officer to the hospital. >I kinda feel sorry for the dog, who was only protecting his property. >Next time, why don’t they let the man & woman duke it out; then they >won’t end up with an injured dog & policeman. >Or maybe they could hire John R. Jefferson to teach a course at the >police academy called: "How To Subdue A Dog Without Shooting Your >Partner" -or- "How To Subdue A Pitbull Without Real Bullets." >(ken) >(This story has not hit the newspapers yet.) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><> >See some sample photos taken with my Olympus digital camera at: >http://www.theupperdeck.com/digitcam/ ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><>
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Please don’t blame the battered woman for what happens to her when she stays. You are right that there are hundreds of places to help her, but often she can’t go (for fear of harm to herself (or children) if she doesn’t make it there before he gets back). She is also the often the victim of emotional abuse in addition to physical abuse and doesn’t believe she deserves better. She is not to blame for what happens to her, or her inability to leave on her own. That is just as bad as blaming the rape victim in my mind. There is a cycle that oftens occurs in domestic violence cases, it is not as easy as you make it to seem. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The sad truth in most domestic violence situations is just that. Alot of the > time women don’t press charges and the police are continually called to break > up the dispute, haul the guy down town, and then he’s sent home, and a couple > days/weeks/months later same thing occurs… It’s really sad>> > Yes it is sad, but the woman makes the choice to be there. She’s responsible > for whatever happens after that. There are hundreds of places that will help > Bill
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>The sad truth in most domestic violence situations is just that. Alot of the
time women don’t press charges and the police are continually called to break up the dispute, haul the guy down town, and then he’s sent home, and a couple days/weeks/months later same thing occurs… It’s really sad>> Yes it is sad, but the woman makes the choice to be there. She’s responsible for whatever happens after that. There are hundreds of places that will help Bill
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> You must be joking because no one is this stupid. Are you saying that the >man should be able to kill the woman if he decides, or visa versa
The sad truth in most domestic violence situations is just that. Alot of the time women don’t press charges and the police are continually called to break up the dispute, haul the guy down town, and then he’s sent home, and a couple days/weeks/months later same thing occurs… It’s really sad
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>My thoughts exactly. >Sounds more like >someone was just too afraid around dogs, and got a little trigger happy >because >of it.
Weren’t we discussing something like this on the AOL boards? A submissive dog- according to witnesses (or snarling pit bull according to the police) was shot repeatedly? I can understand the police being cautious, but not shooting everything on four legs.
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>Next time, why don’t they let the man & woman duke it out; then they won’t end
up with an injured dog & policeman.>> Ken, You must be joking because no one is this stupid. Are you saying that the man should be able to kill the woman if he decides, or visa versa? Bill
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>Who even knows if the dog really lunged at the officer?
My thoughts exactly. First of all, if you are such a bad aim that you are going to shoot your partner in the leg, you should not own a gun. Sounds more like someone was just too afraid around dogs, and got a little trigger happy because of it. Broke
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>What if it was a child that the pitbull was lunged at. Would you still feel >sorry for the dog?
Who even knows if the dog really lunged at the officer?
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What if it was a Lab, GS, mixed breed, etc. Its not the dog but the leader. If a dog "go’s" after anyone while under control of the owner the owner is the primary responible party. Using a gun in a manner the puts a friendly down needs to be very carefully looked at. dw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What if it was a child that the pitbull was lunged at. Would you still feel > sorry for the dog? >x-no-archive:yes
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What if it was a child that the pitbull was lunged at. Would you still feel sorry for the dog? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >x-no-archive:yes >OVERNIGHT NEWS….(VIA WUSA-TV 9) >Apparently, Fairfax County (Va.) police were called to a home for a >domestic violence call. Two officers responded. Upon arrival, the >owners’ Pitbull (allegedly) lunged at an officer. >Then both officers drew their guns to shoot the dog. >One officer’s bullet hits the dog and the other officer shoots the >first officer in the leg. Sheesh! >The Pitbull was alive and was shown (on camera) being carried away on a >stretcher into an animal control van. Then another scene shows a >helicopter airlifting the officer to the hospital. >I kinda feel sorry for the dog, who was only protecting his property. >Next time, why don’t they let the man & woman duke it out; then they >won’t end up with an injured dog & policeman. >Or maybe they could hire John R. Jefferson to teach a course at the >police academy called: "How To Subdue A Dog Without Shooting Your >Partner" -or- "How To Subdue A Pitbull Without Real Bullets." >(ken) >(This story has not hit the newspapers yet.) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><> >See some sample photos taken with my Olympus digital camera at: >http://www.theupperdeck.com/digitcam/ ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><>
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> What if it was a child that the cops > shot? Would you then FINALLY admit > that a significant minority of most > police forces deserve to be in prison????
Chris Hedemark replies: :I think an insignificant minority deserve :to be in prison. :A significant minority deserve to be fired :without severance pay. I won’t quibble on how big a "significant minority" is. However, there is a town just a wee bit north of me where a clear majority deserves to be fired w/o severance or pension and a very significant minority deserve to be in the slammer, starting with those who sexually assaulted a stripper and continuing on to those who harrassed and continue to harrass the one noble cop who blew the whistle on this incident. And then there’s that matter of the illegal gambling establishment many cops frequented and several other township officials, including the mayor, were associated with. And then …. Oh well, nuff said for now. JohnR
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So what if a child is there. Is there no possibility that the dog was protecting his den? Remember that it was also allegedly that the dog lunged. We only know this from the officers who felt the need to draw their guns and take matters into their own hands. Shouldn’t animal control (i.e. people who should have training and experience in these situations) be the ones to decide in a situation like this. Call me sympathetic to the plight of persecuted breeds (I own 2 rotties myself.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What if it was a child that the pitbull was lunged at. Would you still feel >sorry for the dog? >x-no-archive:yes >OVERNIGHT NEWS….(VIA WUSA-TV 9) >Apparently, Fairfax County (Va.) police were called to a home for a >domestic violence call. Two officers responded. Upon arrival, the >owners’ Pitbull (allegedly) lunged at an officer. >Then both officers drew their guns to shoot the dog. >One officer’s bullet hits the dog and the other officer shoots the >first officer in the leg. Sheesh! >The Pitbull was alive and was shown (on camera) being carried away on a >stretcher into an animal control van. Then another scene shows a >helicopter airlifting the officer to the hospital. >I kinda feel sorry for the dog, who was only protecting his property. >Next time, why don’t they let the man & woman duke it out; then they >won’t end up with an injured dog & policeman. >Or maybe they could hire John R. Jefferson to teach a course at the >police academy called: "How To Subdue A Dog Without Shooting Your >Partner" -or- "How To Subdue A Pitbull Without Real Bullets." >(ken) >(This story has not hit the newspapers yet.) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><> >See some sample photos taken with my Olympus digital camera at: >http://www.theupperdeck.com/digitcam/ ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><>
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This reminds me of an incident a few years ago in the town in CT where I used to live. A deer was hit by a car and badly injured, but not killed. A woman who was with some kind of wildlife organization and a police officer ended up at the scene. (I think the policeman was called and the woman just happened to drive by and stopped.) The policeman refused to allow the woman to put the deer out of its misery with an injection. Instead, he attempted to dispatch the deer by firing his gun at it. He fired at least 5 times without managing to kill the deer. He did manage to wound it several times. At this point, the woman from the wildlife organization, who was just a tad upset at the course of events, stepped in without his permission and dispatched the deer with an injection. A bit of a public stink was raised, since the policeman wanted to charge her with some kind of crime, since she had acted without his permission. Apparently the injection, which is poison, renders the meat unfit to eat, and he was worried that someone would come along and take the deer before it could be removed (or maybe he wanted to call a friend to come butcher it…..). He refused to put it in the trunk of his cruiser. Too icky for him, I gather. In the aftermath, the police spokesman made a statement about a "sensitive woman" being "upset" by the spectacle of an injured animal. I ask you: who was upset? The policeman who sprayed five rounds at an injured deer lying in the road and failed to kill it, or the woman who stepped up and dispatched it neatly? Imagine if this guy, complete with gun, responded to a burglary in progress call at your house? Some of these guys should definitely not be armed.
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What if it was a Lab, GS, mixed breed, etc. Its not the dog but the leader. If a dog "go’s" after anyone while under control of the owner the owner is the primary responible party. Using a gun in a manner the puts a friendly down needs to be very carefully looked at. dw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What if it was a child that the pitbull was lunged at. Would you still feel > sorry for the dog? >x-no-archive:yes
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> What if it was a child that the cops > shot? Would you then FINALLY admit > that a significant minority of most > police forces deserve to be in prison????
I think an insignificant minority deserve to be in prison. A significant minority deserve to be fired without severance pay. Here in Hillsborough, NC a majority of the local police force is under investigation for public acts of fornication while on duty at places like the local steakhouse, the cemetary, etc. and even the duty desk at the police HQ. This is not a small hick town. This is a large town on the outskirts of Durham. Most of the cops in our town are crooked. Almost all of the state cops around here are crooked. Many of them get payed under the table to hang out at gas stations all night when they are supposed to be on duty. They are in uniform, inside, munching on donuts and drinking coffee. Police cruiser outside. And they stay there all night on the weekends. Who watches the watchmen? Sorry this doesn’t have anything to do with dogs, but I’d really like to know how this stuff goes on without cops getting fired! — Chris Hedemark Work: IBM eNetwork Dispatcher http://www.software.ibm.com/enetwork/dispatcher Personal: Yonder Way http://www.yonderway.com "Earl Svein! thou now wilt know That our lads can make blood flow — That the Hedemarkers hale Can do more than tap good ale." – Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II
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:What if it was a child that the pitbull was :lunged at. Would you still feel :sorry for the dog? What if it was a child that the cops shot? Would you then FINALLY admit that a significant minority of most police forces deserve to be in prison???? JohnR
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> Gee whiz. I hope no ever tries to beat the crap out of you. Maybe if they did > the police should just wait and see if you can defend yourself.
Obviously you missed the point entirely… — Nic http://www.teleport.com/~pitbull – Brando’s Page "What a waste it is to lose one’s mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." – Former U.S. Vice President Dan Quayle
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"Next time, why don’t they let the man & woman duke it out; then they won’t end up with an injured dog & policeman" Gee whiz. I hope no ever tries to beat the crap out of you. Maybe if they did the police should just wait and see if you can defend yourself.
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What if it was a child that the pitbull was lunged at. Would you still feel sorry for the dog? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >x-no-archive:yes >OVERNIGHT NEWS….(VIA WUSA-TV 9) >Apparently, Fairfax County (Va.) police were called to a home for a >domestic violence call. Two officers responded. Upon arrival, the >owners’ Pitbull (allegedly) lunged at an officer. >Then both officers drew their guns to shoot the dog. >One officer’s bullet hits the dog and the other officer shoots the >first officer in the leg. Sheesh! >The Pitbull was alive and was shown (on camera) being carried away on a >stretcher into an animal control van. Then another scene shows a >helicopter airlifting the officer to the hospital. >I kinda feel sorry for the dog, who was only protecting his property. >Next time, why don’t they let the man & woman duke it out; then they >won’t end up with an injured dog & policeman. >Or maybe they could hire John R. Jefferson to teach a course at the >police academy called: "How To Subdue A Dog Without Shooting Your >Partner" -or- "How To Subdue A Pitbull Without Real Bullets." >(ken) >(This story has not hit the newspapers yet.) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><> >See some sample photos taken with my Olympus digital camera at: >http://www.theupperdeck.com/digitcam/ ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><>
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> What if it was a child that the cops > shot? Would you then FINALLY admit > that a significant minority of most > police forces deserve to be in prison????
Chris Hedemark replies: :I think an insignificant minority deserve :to be in prison. :A significant minority deserve to be fired :without severance pay. I won’t quibble on how big a "significant minority" is. However, there is a town just a wee bit north of me where a clear majority deserves to be fired w/o severance or pension and a very significant minority deserve to be in the slammer, starting with those who sexually assaulted a stripper and continuing on to those who harrassed and continue to harrass the one noble cop who blew the whistle on this incident. And then there’s that matter of the illegal gambling establishment many cops frequented and several other township officials, including the mayor, were associated with. And then …. Oh well, nuff said for now. JohnR
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So what if a child is there. Is there no possibility that the dog was protecting his den? Remember that it was also allegedly that the dog lunged. We only know this from the officers who felt the need to draw their guns and take matters into their own hands. Shouldn’t animal control (i.e. people who should have training and experience in these situations) be the ones to decide in a situation like this. Call me sympathetic to the plight of persecuted breeds (I own 2 rotties myself.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What if it was a child that the pitbull was lunged at. Would you still feel >sorry for the dog? >x-no-archive:yes >OVERNIGHT NEWS….(VIA WUSA-TV 9) >Apparently, Fairfax County (Va.) police were called to a home for a >domestic violence call. Two officers responded. Upon arrival, the >owners’ Pitbull (allegedly) lunged at an officer. >Then both officers drew their guns to shoot the dog. >One officer’s bullet hits the dog and the other officer shoots the >first officer in the leg. Sheesh! >The Pitbull was alive and was shown (on camera) being carried away on a >stretcher into an animal control van. Then another scene shows a >helicopter airlifting the officer to the hospital. >I kinda feel sorry for the dog, who was only protecting his property. >Next time, why don’t they let the man & woman duke it out; then they >won’t end up with an injured dog & policeman. >Or maybe they could hire John R. Jefferson to teach a course at the >police academy called: "How To Subdue A Dog Without Shooting Your >Partner" -or- "How To Subdue A Pitbull Without Real Bullets." >(ken) >(This story has not hit the newspapers yet.) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><> >See some sample photos taken with my Olympus digital camera at: >http://www.theupperdeck.com/digitcam/ ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><>
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This reminds me of an incident a few years ago in the town in CT where I used to live. A deer was hit by a car and badly injured, but not killed. A woman who was with some kind of wildlife organization and a police officer ended up at the scene. (I think the policeman was called and the woman just happened to drive by and stopped.) The policeman refused to allow the woman to put the deer out of its misery with an injection. Instead, he attempted to dispatch the deer by firing his gun at it. He fired at least 5 times without managing to kill the deer. He did manage to wound it several times. At this point, the woman from the wildlife organization, who was just a tad upset at the course of events, stepped in without his permission and dispatched the deer with an injection. A bit of a public stink was raised, since the policeman wanted to charge her with some kind of crime, since she had acted without his permission. Apparently the injection, which is poison, renders the meat unfit to eat, and he was worried that someone would come along and take the deer before it could be removed (or maybe he wanted to call a friend to come butcher it…..). He refused to put it in the trunk of his cruiser. Too icky for him, I gather. In the aftermath, the police spokesman made a statement about a "sensitive woman" being "upset" by the spectacle of an injured animal. I ask you: who was upset? The policeman who sprayed five rounds at an injured deer lying in the road and failed to kill it, or the woman who stepped up and dispatched it neatly? Imagine if this guy, complete with gun, responded to a burglary in progress call at your house? Some of these guys should definitely not be armed.
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What if it was a Lab, GS, mixed breed, etc. Its not the dog but the leader. If a dog "go’s" after anyone while under control of the owner the owner is the primary responible party. Using a gun in a manner the puts a friendly down needs to be very carefully looked at. dw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What if it was a child that the pitbull was lunged at. Would you still feel > sorry for the dog? >x-no-archive:yes
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> What if it was a child that the cops > shot? Would you then FINALLY admit > that a significant minority of most > police forces deserve to be in prison????
I think an insignificant minority deserve to be in prison. A significant minority deserve to be fired without severance pay. Here in Hillsborough, NC a majority of the local police force is under investigation for public acts of fornication while on duty at places like the local steakhouse, the cemetary, etc. and even the duty desk at the police HQ. This is not a small hick town. This is a large town on the outskirts of Durham. Most of the cops in our town are crooked. Almost all of the state cops around here are crooked. Many of them get payed under the table to hang out at gas stations all night when they are supposed to be on duty. They are in uniform, inside, munching on donuts and drinking coffee. Police cruiser outside. And they stay there all night on the weekends. Who watches the watchmen? Sorry this doesn’t have anything to do with dogs, but I’d really like to know how this stuff goes on without cops getting fired! — Chris Hedemark Work: IBM eNetwork Dispatcher http://www.software.ibm.com/enetwork/dispatcher Personal: Yonder Way http://www.yonderway.com "Earl Svein! thou now wilt know That our lads can make blood flow — That the Hedemarkers hale Can do more than tap good ale." – Saga of Olaf Haraldson: Part II
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:What if it was a child that the pitbull was :lunged at. Would you still feel :sorry for the dog? What if it was a child that the cops shot? Would you then FINALLY admit that a significant minority of most police forces deserve to be in prison???? JohnR
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> Gee whiz. I hope no ever tries to beat the crap out of you. Maybe if they did > the police should just wait and see if you can defend yourself.
Obviously you missed the point entirely… — Nic http://www.teleport.com/~pitbull – Brando’s Page "What a waste it is to lose one’s mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." – Former U.S. Vice President Dan Quayle
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"Next time, why don’t they let the man & woman duke it out; then they won’t end up with an injured dog & policeman" Gee whiz. I hope no ever tries to beat the crap out of you. Maybe if they did the police should just wait and see if you can defend yourself.
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What if it was a child that the pitbull was lunged at. Would you still feel sorry for the dog? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >x-no-archive:yes >OVERNIGHT NEWS….(VIA WUSA-TV 9) >Apparently, Fairfax County (Va.) police were called to a home for a >domestic violence call. Two officers responded. Upon arrival, the >owners’ Pitbull (allegedly) lunged at an officer. >Then both officers drew their guns to shoot the dog. >One officer’s bullet hits the dog and the other officer shoots the >first officer in the leg. Sheesh! >The Pitbull was alive and was shown (on camera) being carried away on a >stretcher into an animal control van. Then another scene shows a >helicopter airlifting the officer to the hospital. >I kinda feel sorry for the dog, who was only protecting his property. >Next time, why don’t they let the man & woman duke it out; then they >won’t end up with an injured dog & policeman. >Or maybe they could hire John R. Jefferson to teach a course at the >police academy called: "How To Subdue A Dog Without Shooting Your >Partner" -or- "How To Subdue A Pitbull Without Real Bullets." >(ken) >(This story has not hit the newspapers yet.) ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><> >See some sample photos taken with my Olympus digital camera at: >http://www.theupperdeck.com/digitcam/ ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><<>><><><><><><><><>