> The crusaders had come before, they slaughtered 10’s of thousands and > occupied Jerusalem for 88 years. Read history and you will come to know that > your days, months or even years are numbered, and that one day a group of > true strong Muslims will lead the millions of us who are anxious to kick > your asses off our lands and make Islam, the faith of Allah, rule the world > again as it did for centuries. > Until then, I guess few beheadings will cause some disturbance to your ego. > Try live with it

Islam never ruled the world for centuries. You’d better read some history yourself, buddy.

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> The crusaders had come before, they slaughtered 10’s of thousands and > occupied Jerusalem for 88 years. Read history and you will come to know that > your days, months or even years are numbered, and that one day a group of > true strong Muslims will lead the millions of us who are anxious to kick > your asses off our lands and make Islam, the faith of Allah, rule the world > again as it did for centuries. > Until then, I guess few beheadings will cause some disturbance to your ego. > Try live with it

You wanted a war with the west and now you have one.  I don’t think Islam is doing so well if all they can do is attack innocent civilians and blow themselves up. Militant Islam is on the way out.  You think the slaughter during the crusades was bad ? You haven’t seen nothing yet.

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The crusaders had come before, they slaughtered 10’s of thousands and occupied Jerusalem for 88 years. Read history and you will come to know that your days, months or even years are numbered, and that one day a group of true strong Muslims will lead the millions of us who are anxious to kick your asses off our lands and make Islam, the faith of Allah, rule the world again as it did for centuries. Until then, I guess few beheadings will cause some disturbance to your ego. Try live with it

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The ugly face of America > As the images of brutal and horrifying tales of torture and > maltreatment of Iraqi prisoners at the hands of the US occupied > forces, primarily at the Abu Ghraib prison, are exposing the ugly side > of America before the international community, the Bush administration > and his much pampered Secretary of Defence Rumsfeld seems to be > totally oblivious of the damage which they have caused to America’s > image, not only in the Arab world but also in countries which are a > party to the so-called coalition for war against terrorism. > Why don’t you show some pictures of the beheaded Nick Berg. That will > help your cause. Now even the middle-of-the-road people hate your > religion.

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tell me what the fuck he was doing there?so he had to be worry of the consequences

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The ugly face of America > As the images of brutal and horrifying tales of torture and > maltreatment of Iraqi prisoners at the hands of the US occupied > forces, primarily at the Abu Ghraib prison, are exposing the ugly side > of America before the international community, the Bush administration > and his much pampered Secretary of Defence Rumsfeld seems to be > totally oblivious of the damage which they have caused to America’s > image, not only in the Arab world but also in countries which are a > party to the so-called coalition for war against terrorism. > Why don’t you show some pictures of the beheaded Nick Berg. That will > help your cause. Now even the middle-of-the-road people hate your > religion.

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> The ugly face of America > As the images of brutal and horrifying tales of torture and > maltreatment of Iraqi prisoners at the hands of the US occupied > forces, primarily at the Abu Ghraib prison, are exposing the ugly side > of America before the international community, the Bush administration > and his much pampered Secretary of Defence Rumsfeld seems to be > totally oblivious of the damage which they have caused to America’s > image, not only in the Arab world but also in countries which are a > party to the so-called coalition for war against terrorism.

Why don’t you show some pictures of the beheaded Nick Berg. That will help your cause. Now even the middle-of-the-road people hate your religion.

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The ugly face of America As the images of brutal and horrifying tales of torture and maltreatment of Iraqi prisoners at the hands of the US occupied forces, primarily at the Abu Ghraib prison, are exposing the ugly side of America before the international community, the Bush administration and his much pampered Secretary of Defence Rumsfeld seems to be totally oblivious of the damage which they have caused to America’s image, not only in the Arab world but also in countries which are a party to the so-called coalition for war against terrorism. http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/may2004-daily/18-05-2004/oped/o1.htm

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If the brutality was exposed through photographs in Abu Gharib( http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444 ) then there must have been  a lot more such acts where there was not camera men. Like them, lets not generalize the whole US and alliance public for such brutal acts and attacks on other countries, otherwise there would be no difference in us and them who blame Muslims and Islam as terrorist, because of a few universally condemned men so called Muslims who may be raged from revenge of their murdered families (victims of military terrorism by USA and Israel) or politically motivated ( Hippocrates ). Let

> Then don’t follow this link to "the swami’s" store, and > don’t look at the plain old ash elrick 35" 5 string bolt on > he has.  Exactly like the one here in Kenosha.  After a few > attempts to love it, I opted for the 5 string Zon they had. > (34" 5 strings make rob smile) > http://www.basspalace.com/index.html

I suspect they would make me a little one if I asked nicely, but I’d better try out that neck first. Somehow neither Harry the Bunny nor Jimmy the Luthier have one at the moment. With luck, the urge will pass before they get one. Or I could wander along 48th St., but it’s mostly Sam Ash these days. -Donna

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> And about the open strings: I always thought the whole zero fret thing > sounded like a good idea. A careful inspection of the bass that I’ve had > for 6 months revealed that I in fact have it already and didn’t notice. > I bet that qualifies for the tiniest woo-hoo of the week. What do I win?

You won tons of goodies. You can use any gauge string without nut rattle. You have the lowest action at the 1st fret you can get, and you’ll keep it whenever you get your frets recrowned (just happened to me). And you won’t have that awful 1st & 2nd fret sharpness that comes with a nut that’s cut a little too high. Wish all basses came with zero frets (however can’t justify trying to convert my non-zero-fret bass).

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> I bet that qualifies for the tiniest woo-hoo of the week. What do I win?

You know those prizes, where you get 60 seconds to run through a supermarket, and everything that makes it into your shopping cart is free? Get a wheel barrel, and meet me under the balcony. —    O> /()    ^^

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> > I bet that qualifies for the tiniest woo-hoo of the week. What do I win? > You know those prizes, where you get 60 seconds to run > through a supermarket, and everything that makes it into > your shopping cart is free? > Get a wheel barrel, and meet me under the balcony.

But I don’t need anything! Really! If a 34" 5-string Elrick with a really nice burled top hit me on the head, I wouldn’t pick it up. I have a bass already, and I’m not even the slightest bit curious about who "Swami," mentioned in another post as a used bass retailer, is. Dammit. Well, unless you were going to throw some of those Y straps so I could try them out before ordering. One burgundy right-handed very short, and one black left-handed medium, please. -Donna

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> But I don’t need anything! Really! If a 34" 5-string Elrick with a > really nice burled top hit me on the head, I wouldn’t pick it up. I have > a bass already, and I’m not even the slightest bit curious about who > "Swami," mentioned in another post as a used bass retailer, is. Dammit.

Then don’t follow this link to "the swami’s" store, and don’t look at the plain old ash elrick 35" 5 string bolt on he has.  Exactly like the one here in Kenosha.  After a few attempts to love it, I opted for the 5 string Zon they had. (34" 5 strings make rob smile) http://www.basspalace.com/index.html I gotta ask Dude why he bought a bass from him, since I know the two of them went a few rounds a few years back. > Well, unless you were going to throw some of those Y straps so I could > try them out before ordering. One burgundy right-handed very short, and > one black left-handed medium, please. > -Donna

There was someone, ordered one of them more than a year ago.   Never was delivered as far as I know.  Wonder what happened, and if he ever got it and or liked it. I could toss a power saw onto the pile so you could fix one of them Elricks.  The Cort version looks decent: http://www.bassnw.com/New%20Exotic%20%20Basses/cort_elrick_JPS5_5_st_… —    O> /()    ^^

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Another solution I found at bunnybass.com was to attach both ends of the >strap to the horn strap button. Does a great job of fixing the neck >dive, but puts the weight on my neck rather than my shoulder. Not >comfortable for long periods. > Right, that was the effect of moving the rear strap button "down" towards > the controls–to force the bass further rightwards, but not as rad as your > fix. >If anyone is interested, I’ll post pictures. > You know it!

Kurt, Here it is. http://www.pressplay.net/ripper_eub.htm I’ve got an extra tripod leg so if you want to try it, I’d be happy to send it to you. From reading your posts, I know you’ll be able to figure out how to do it with no additional assistance from me, but if you have any questions or want additional pictures or whatever, let me know. Hope you like the project, Neal — Neal Pollack                            PressPlay Computer Consultants "A still tongue fills a wise head." –Blind Jim Brewer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve got a ‘71 fender mustang.  I just want a position that’s most > comfortable for fretting all the way up and down the neck.  I prefer to have > the body low, my picking fingers get less fatigued that way and it feels > more natural to me.  Do you find that there’s a compromise as far as > fretting goes???  When I have it in a position that’s very comfortable at > the lower end then at the higher end it’s not so comfortable, and vice > versa.  You know??  Thanks. > I agree, and it’s worse with a long scale bass.  A general > rule of thumb is to adjust the strap so the bass is at the > same height sitting AND standing.  For me though, fretting > is easier high, but plucking hand cramps (but great for > slap) when high.  Lower, and the right hand is comfy, slap > is slpooy, and left hand has a reach.  Live, I opt for > lower, because I mostly pluck, hardly slap, and just need to > *relax*, which helps you relax your shoulders.  Key thing > for preventing fatigur related injuries.  Don’t worry about > control of the bass, just try to work in harmony with the > body flopping around. > — >    O> > /() >    ^^

Agreed…and this is precisely why I love 5 or 6-strings…I can play in the middle of the neck all night long.  (I’ve always hated open-strings anyway…unless their peculiar tonality is required for a tune or a reach I always avoided them)

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Getting on it today. Will post the URL. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Another solution I found at bunnybass.com was to attach both ends of the >strap to the horn strap button. Does a great job of fixing the neck >dive, but puts the weight on my neck rather than my shoulder. Not >comfortable for long periods. > Right, that was the effect of moving the rear strap button "down" towards > the controls–to force the bass further rightwards, but not as rad as your > fix. >If anyone is interested, I’ll post pictures. > You know it!

– Neal Pollack                            PressPlay Computer Consultants "A still tongue fills a wise head." –Blind Jim Brewer

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> this is precisely why I love 5 or 6-strings…I can play in > the middle of the neck all night long.  (I’ve always hated open-strings > anyway…unless their peculiar tonality is required for a tune or a > reach I always avoided them)

I see your point about being able to stay in the middle of the neck. I’m 5′ tall and spent the weekend contemplating 5-strings because I just like being in the middle better. Fortunately, I’ve decided that I really like the look of Elricks, yet I can’t possibly buy a 35" scale, so I’m safe from shopping. Although if I ran across one accidentally I might check out that round neck thing… And about the open strings: I always thought the whole zero fret thing sounded like a good idea. A careful inspection of the bass that I’ve had for 6 months revealed that I in fact have it already and didn’t notice. I bet that qualifies for the tiniest woo-hoo of the week. What do I win? -Donna

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Another solution I found at bunnybass.com was to attach both ends of the strap to the horn strap button. Does a great job of fixing the neck dive, but puts the weight on my neck rather than my shoulder. Not comfortable for long periods. I’d been working on modifying it by adding an end pin to play upright. I I finally worked it out by replacing the end strap button with a threaded insert. I threaded a piece of 1/4" rod to screw into the insert, attached a big fat aluminum washer to it to distribute the stress, and slip the smooth end into a modified camera tripod leg. Works pretty well so far. I use a long web strap, for "insurance". If anyone is interested, I’ll post pictures. Neal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->moving the end strap button from the 9 o’clock position to about >the 10:30 position (facing the front of the bass). > Yeah, that kind of stuff really helps. I was playing a Jazz-bodied bass 5 > hours a night and besides getting genarally fatigued, my shoulder really > hurt. I tried holding each end of the strap against different parts of the > body. The front strap button ended up centered on the back of the tip of the > horn and the back button moved about 2 1/2" down toward the controls. Helped > a lot.

– Neal Pollack                            PressPlay Computer Consultants "A still tongue fills a wise head." –Blind Jim Brewer

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Thanks for all the good advice everyone.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Getting on it today. Will post the URL. >>Another solution I found at bunnybass.com was to attach both ends of the >>strap to the horn strap button. Does a great job of fixing the neck >>dive, but puts the weight on my neck rather than my shoulder. Not >>comfortable for long periods. > Right, that was the effect of moving the rear strap button "down" towards > the controls–to force the bass further rightwards, but not as rad as your > fix. >>If anyone is interested, I’ll post pictures. > You know it! > — > Neal Pollack                            PressPlay Computer Consultants > "A still tongue fills a wise head." –Blind Jim Brewer

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> Another solution I found at bunnybass.com was to attach both ends of the > strap to the horn strap button. Does a great job of fixing the neck > dive, but puts the weight on my neck rather than my shoulder. Not > comfortable for long periods.

Right, that was the effect of moving the rear strap button "down" towards the controls–to force the bass further rightwards, but not as rad as your fix. > If anyone is interested, I’ll post pictures.

You know it!

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> This will also help with balance,

It did. Thank you.

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> moving the end strap button from the 9 o’clock position to about > the 10:30 position (facing the front of the bass).

Yeah, that kind of stuff really helps. I was playing a Jazz-bodied bass 5 hours a night and besides getting genarally fatigued, my shoulder really hurt. I tried holding each end of the strap against different parts of the body. The front strap button ended up centered on the back of the tip of the horn and the back button moved about 2 1/2" down toward the controls. Helped a lot.

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> I’m 6′2", with very long arms.

Ready-made for all those cool-looking basses Entwistle liked, the Buzzard and T-Bird and all! Bet an ASAT even fits you (no chance for me).

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This will also help with balance, but not weight: I have a one of them acoustic-y sounding electric shaped geetars (not a Ferrington) which has a hollow body and a maple neck, and as a result is neck-heavy as all get out. I can’t move the strap button, and I didn’t want to attach weight to the body itself, because that would affect the resonance. So I just hang some  weight from the rear button. You can either use the weight as a strap lock, or hang it inside the strap. I use a can of Spam.  Made a little harness for it out of silver planning substitute.  You might want to use Spam lite for those unplugged gigs. But whatever works for you. I’m hoping that they start making squeezable Spam, as I would love to get more of a tube sound. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Innes, >I’ve been working on trying to find a comfortable position to play my >Gibson Ripper which is very heavy and has severe neck dive. I generally >like to hold my bass midway between low and high. So far, I’ve come up >with moving the end strap button from the 9 o’clock position to about >the 10:30 position (facing the front of the bass). Helps the balance a >little, but not the weight. >Neal > I’ve got a ‘71 fender mustang.  I just want a position that’s most > comfortable for fretting all the way up and down the neck.  I prefer to have > the body low, my picking fingers get less fatigued that way and it feels > more natural to me.  Do you find that there’s a compromise as far as > fretting goes???  When I have it in a position that’s very comfortable at > the lower end then at the higher end it’s not so comfortable, and vice > versa.  You know??  Thanks. > Innes >>>Hello! >>>Just wondering if anyone has any tips on finding the most comfortable >>>position to play the bass.  I’ve been struggling to find one, I’m always >>>adjusting the strap this way and that, but there never seems to be one > spot >>>that’s just right, you know?  Any idea’s appreciated.  Thanks, >>>Innes >>What kind of bass do you have? Is it particularly heavy or oddly shaped? >>Does it have neck dive? Do you prefer it high or low? >>Neal Pollack                            PressPlay Computer Consultants >>"A still tongue fills a wise head." –Blind Jim Brewer

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> 3. I’m 5′7" short and

Good addition.  I’m 6′2", with very long arms.  Skinny as hell though.  Makes a difference.  Even the ratio of back-to-strap surface appears to effect some people’s views of balance.  I don’t have much area where the strap can grab on to, but I’m working on it. Breakfast, then I mercifully ate a Krispy Kreame (to save a co-worker).  Skipped my weight llifting session.  Ate 2 Rally burgers with cheese.  Drank 8 beeers, and a shot of "stuff".  Looking forward to ice cream in a bit.  Not too bad for 36.  And… I still have all my hair  No cigarettes though ;-( Mmm… everything. —    O> /()    ^^

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Innes, I’ve been working on trying to find a comfortable position to play my Gibson Ripper which is very heavy and has severe neck dive. I generally like to hold my bass midway between low and high. So far, I’ve come up with moving the end strap button from the 9 o’clock position to about the 10:30 position (facing the front of the bass). Helps the balance a little, but not the weight. Neal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve got a ‘71 fender mustang.  I just want a position that’s most > comfortable for fretting all the way up and down the neck.  I prefer to have > the body low, my picking fingers get less fatigued that way and it feels > more natural to me.  Do you find that there’s a compromise as far as > fretting goes???  When I have it in a position that’s very comfortable at > the lower end then at the higher end it’s not so comfortable, and vice > versa.  You know??  Thanks. > Innes >>Hello! >>Just wondering if anyone has any tips on finding the most comfortable >>position to play the bass.  I’ve been struggling to find one, I’m always >>adjusting the strap this way and that, but there never seems to be one > spot >>that’s just right, you know?  Any idea’s appreciated.  Thanks, >>Innes >What kind of bass do you have? Is it particularly heavy or oddly shaped? >Does it have neck dive? Do you prefer it high or low? >Neal Pollack                            PressPlay Computer Consultants >"A still tongue fills a wise head." –Blind Jim Brewer

– Neal Pollack                            PressPlay Computer Consultants "A still tongue fills a wise head." –Blind Jim Brewer

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Thanks for your advice, and thanks to Rob for his too.  Yeah, I used to have a long scale bass, Ric 4001, but had a really difficult time with it. That’s why I went for the short scale.  It is a lot better for me to play as I have not long fingers or ganglor arms.  I will try what you said and just stand with the bass, hands resting in position, to see, and take it from there.  Thanks, Innes

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> When I have it in a position that’s very comfortable at >> the lower end then at the higher end it’s not so comfortable, and vice >> versa.  You know??  Thanks. > It is a bit of a trade-off most of the time >I agree, and it’s worse with a long scale bass.  A general >rule of thumb is to adjust the strap so the bass is at the >same height sitting AND standing. > It’s important that you read the rest of what Rob said after this! > I got in real tendonitis trouble because a teacher forced me to do > this, and I was using a long, badly balanced bass It was a very early > Warwick, before they did the Spector-esque body shape, headless, and > butt-heavy as a cheese-cake addicted bus driver.  The neck was not set > into the body very far, and trying to play 1-2-3-4 in low positions > just killed me. > Rob’s other advice is bang on though: > For me though, fretting >is easier high, but plucking hand cramps (but great for >slap) when high.  Lower, and the right hand is comfy, slap >is slpooy, and left hand has a reach.  Live, I opt for >lower, because I mostly pluck, hardly slap, and just need to >*relax*, which helps you relax your shoulders.  Key thing >for preventing fatigur related injuries.  Don’t worry about >control of the bass, just try to work in harmony with the >body flopping around. > You’re gonna have to figure out one postion and kind of work at that > for a while.  Try just standing with the bass, with your hands resting > where they would be working.  You’ll get a better idea of what > "normal" should feel like, and be able to work towards it   A good > rule is that at no time should any joint be bent past 90 degrees.

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> I’ve got a ‘71 fender mustang.  I just want a position that’s most > comfortable for fretting all the way up and down the neck.  I prefer to have > the body low, my picking fingers get less fatigued that way and it feels > more natural to me.  Do you find that there’s a compromise as far as > fretting goes???  When I have it in a position that’s very comfortable at > the lower end then at the higher end it’s not so comfortable, and vice > versa.  You know??  Thanks.

Yeah, I know. If you’re short like me the following formula will work, but you may not like my answers. Actually, I don’t like them either, but I figure I should be content that I am allowed a choice between what works and what doesn’t. 1. I wear my bass high. This keeps it in roughly the same position for effective fingerstyle, picking, and the odd slap tune. Long ago, I learned that to wear the bass low straightens the wrist nicely for fingerstyle, but made my left hand cramp frequently because it put a radical bend into the left wrist. When my hands cramp, they get locked up in a painful, weird knot, and I keep playing to get rid of these cramps. When I wear the bass high, my hands cramp with roughly equal frequency, which I figure is right–equally distribute the weirdness. Really, there is absolutely nothing natural about playing the electric bass, you have to force your body to do unnatural things (however upright is worse). So you get used to it, you make compromises. 2. I anchor my right forearm to the body of the bass. That way I always know where everything is. Sitting and standing don’t put the bass in the same spot, but my forearm tells me where I am and I don’t have any problem transitioning from standing to sitting and back. Also after a while, I noticed I wasn’t dependent on a thumb anchor. I mean, I would rest my thumb on the E string or edge of the pickup or edge of the pickguard or just anywhere and sometimes let it float in the air. I don’t leverage with my thumb at all. No force there, just a reference like a cat’s whiskers. 3. I’m 5′7" short and my sleeve length is 32" so I hold the bass a good bit off to my right. That means the obtuse but abrupt corner of the bass, the edge right at the top end of the belly cut, smacks me an inch or two above the solar plexus smack in the sternum when I’m standing. Mighty uncomfortable if I think about it. Also it looks awful. I don’t at all cut an impressive figure playing. But it really takes a lot of strain off my left arm and since I usually attack the strings directly over the P pickup, everything’s in easy reach where it should be. But none of this should be as weird for you as it is for me since you’ve chosen to play a short-scale bass.

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>> When I have it in a position that’s very comfortable at > the lower end then at the higher end it’s not so comfortable, and vice > versa.  You know??  Thanks.

It is a bit of a trade-off most of the time >I agree, and it’s worse with a long scale bass.  A general >rule of thumb is to adjust the strap so the bass is at the >same height sitting AND standing.

It’s important that you read the rest of what Rob said after this! I got in real tendonitis trouble because a teacher forced me to do this, and I was using a long, badly balanced bass It was a very early Warwick, before they did the Spector-esque body shape, headless, and butt-heavy as a cheese-cake addicted bus driver.  The neck was not set into the body very far, and trying to play 1-2-3-4 in low positions just killed me. Rob’s other advice is bang on though: > For me though, fretting >is easier high, but plucking hand cramps (but great for >slap) when high.  Lower, and the right hand is comfy, slap >is slpooy, and left hand has a reach.  Live, I opt for >lower, because I mostly pluck, hardly slap, and just need to >*relax*, which helps you relax your shoulders.  Key thing >for preventing fatigur related injuries.  Don’t worry about >control of the bass, just try to work in harmony with the >body flopping around.

You’re gonna have to figure out one postion and kind of work at that for a while.  Try just standing with the bass, with your hands resting where they would be working.  You’ll get a better idea of what "normal" should feel like, and be able to work towards it   A good rule is that at no time should any joint be bent past 90 degrees.

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> I’ve got a ‘71 fender mustang.  I just want a position that’s most > comfortable for fretting all the way up and down the neck.  I prefer to have > the body low, my picking fingers get less fatigued that way and it feels > more natural to me.  Do you find that there’s a compromise as far as > fretting goes???  When I have it in a position that’s very comfortable at > the lower end then at the higher end it’s not so comfortable, and vice > versa.  You know??  Thanks.

I agree, and it’s worse with a long scale bass.  A general rule of thumb is to adjust the strap so the bass is at the same height sitting AND standing.  For me though, fretting is easier high, but plucking hand cramps (but great for slap) when high.  Lower, and the right hand is comfy, slap is slpooy, and left hand has a reach.  Live, I opt for lower, because I mostly pluck, hardly slap, and just need to *relax*, which helps you relax your shoulders.  Key thing for preventing fatigur related injuries.  Don’t worry about control of the bass, just try to work in harmony with the body flopping around. —    O> /()    ^^

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I’ve got a ‘71 fender mustang.  I just want a position that’s most comfortable for fretting all the way up and down the neck.  I prefer to have the body low, my picking fingers get less fatigued that way and it feels more natural to me.  Do you find that there’s a compromise as far as fretting goes???  When I have it in a position that’s very comfortable at the lower end then at the higher end it’s not so comfortable, and vice versa.  You know??  Thanks. Innes

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello! > Just wondering if anyone has any tips on finding the most comfortable > position to play the bass.  I’ve been struggling to find one, I’m always > adjusting the strap this way and that, but there never seems to be one spot > that’s just right, you know?  Any idea’s appreciated.  Thanks, > Innes > What kind of bass do you have? Is it particularly heavy or oddly shaped? > Does it have neck dive? Do you prefer it high or low? > Neal Pollack                            PressPlay Computer Consultants > "A still tongue fills a wise head." –Blind Jim Brewer

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Hello! Just wondering if anyone has any tips on finding the most comfortable position to play the bass.  I’ve been struggling to find one, I’m always adjusting the strap this way and that, but there never seems to be one spot that’s just right, you know?  Any idea’s appreciated.  Thanks, Innes

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> Hello! > Just wondering if anyone has any tips on finding the most comfortable > position to play the bass.  I’ve been struggling to find one, I’m always > adjusting the strap this way and that, but there never seems to be one spot > that’s just right, you know?  Any idea’s appreciated.  Thanks, > Innes

What kind of bass do you have? Is it particularly heavy or oddly shaped? Does it have neck dive? Do you prefer it high or low? Neal Pollack                            PressPlay Computer Consultants "A still tongue fills a wise head." –Blind Jim Brewer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I just sent this message to the DMOZ (a.k.a. Google) Web Directory, > which is run by volunteers under the Open Directory Project (ODP). I > used to be an ODP editor myself, so i know the lingo there, and it is my > hope that with a round TWO DOZEN edited URLS supplied by me, someone > there will have the sense to create a category (a.k.a. cat) for the > subject so that people searching for art cars at google will get good, > reliable links. > However, i figure that even if DMOZ never does anything about creating > an art cars cat, at least i will have posted a good link-list for > readers of this newsgroup. > catherine yronwode > Hello, >  I’d like to suggest a new subcat under >      Recreation: Autos: Enthusiasts > It should be for Art Cars. > These are not Customized Cars (rods and customs) and they are not > Concept Cars either. They are a separate class of modified car, and here > are many web pages devoted to the subject, NONE of which i have found at > dmoz. > Brief mention of Art Cars can be found in the "Arts: Visual" section of > the ODP, but frankly, i have found dozens of art car pages that are not > listed there — and after all, these are CARS, not "art." > I mean, the ODP doesn’t list Customs under "sculpture," so why list Art > Cars under "art"??? > Anyway, from my own personal bookmarks, here is a start for your new > subcat, if you can get it approved. > 1) > Art Cars in Cyberspace Home Page > Start learning about art cars here, with photos, links, construction > tips, and event listings > http://www.artcars.com/ > 2) > Art Cars > A photo-gallery of art cars. > http://www.well.com/user/booter/Artcars/artcars.html > 3) > City of Art: Seattle’s Art Cars > A loose coalition of people who make and own > art cars and live in the greater Seattle area; contains a photo-gallery > http://www.speakeasy.org/~docschlk/kich5.htm > 4) > American Visionary Art Museum – Art Cars! > Create your one-of-a-kind art car. > http://www.avam.org/artcar/ > 5) > Kodak: Art Cars > Harrod Blank’s Camera Van and photos he has taken of other art cars. > http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/ artCars/artCarsIntro.shtml > 6) > Art Car Agency > A publicity agency for people who are willing to rent or lease their art > cars for display. > http://www.artcaragency.com/ > 7) > Art Cars: High on a Hill > A photographer’s galley of art cars and unusual vanity plates seen in > the city of San Francisco. > http://www.mistersf.com/high/highartcars.htm > > Motor Legends USA – Art Cars > A photo-gallery. > http://www.motorlegends.com/artcars.htm > 9) > St Louis Art Cars > Images of art cars glimpsed in Saint Louis. > http://www.cruisin66.com/stl/artcars.html > 10) > Harrod Blank Art Cars > A film-maker, author, photographer, car artist, and art car historian’s > home page > http://www.harrodblank.com/artcars/ > 11) > ACNE: Art Cars of New England > The purpose of this group is to encourage more art cars around New > England and around the world. > http://www.webmerchants.com/acne/ > 12) > edsanders.com – Art Cars > Pictures of art cars and other interesting cars and trucks. > http://www.edsanders.com/auto/auto0009.htm > 13) > Art Cars > Art cars are automobile customization gone wacky. > http://www.zenzibar.com/Articles/ed-1-23.htm > 14) > California Mojo Car > A moveable shrine to good luck, magic, and all the religions of the > world. > http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocar.html > 15) > ArtCar Fest > Annual West Coast gathering of amazing art cars from around the US and Canada. > Category: Arts > Visual Arts > Resources > Events > http://www.artcarfest.com/ > [NOTE: this is the only URL from my bookmarks that is in the ODP, and it > is in a VERY inappropriate cat.] > 16) > The How Berkeley Can You Be? Parade > Annual host to a caravan of 80 – 100 art cars. > http://gning.org/howberkeley/artcars.html > 17) > Gettingit.com: Cars For Art’s Sake > Article on how children interact with art cars. > www.gettingit.com/article/115 > 18) > Emily Duffy: Art Cars > Home page of the creator of the Vain Van and the Mondrian Mobile. > www.braball.com/MoreArt/artcars.htm > 19) > Duke’s Photo Page > Duke is Rick McKinney’s large and elaborate art truck, covered with > remnants of society’s discarded pleasures. > http://www.jigglebox.com/dukephotos.html > 20) > Kelly’s Spot > Home of the Leopard Bernstein art car. > http://www.kellyspot.com/ > 21) > Truck in Flux > Philo Northrup’s ever-changing art truck, seen in photos from 1991 to > the present. > http://www.philo.com/ARTCAR/index.html > 22) > Art Car World > A showplace for the love of art cars and their creators. > http://www.artcarworld.com/ > 23) > The "Holey Mercatoy’d" Art Car > How a rusted-out 1987 Mercury Cougar was pierced, punctured, and > transformed into an art car. > http://otuts.tripod.com/OtutsWebPage/ > 24) > Artistic Licence > Australian artist Denise Sutherland’s painted art car. > http://sutherland-studios.com.au/car/ > And finally, here is your requisite usenet newsgroups link: > Now go forth and make a cat out of it, please!!! > Sincerely, > cat yronwode > former dmoz editor

Hello there, As the hobby webmaster of my (Dutch) website www.automobiel.com i was verry happy with your tips for art cars. I have created an category for them and i put your favorite sites on it. Thanks a lot and wishes you and everybody overthere a happy new year! Regards from the Netherlands, Jeppie the hobby-webmaster.

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I just sent this message to the DMOZ (a.k.a. Google) Web Directory, which is run by volunteers under the Open Directory Project (ODP). I used to be an ODP editor myself, so i know the lingo there, and it is my hope that with a round TWO DOZEN edited URLS supplied by me, someone there will have the sense to create a category (a.k.a. cat) for the subject so that people searching for art cars at google will get good, reliable links. However, i figure that even if DMOZ never does anything about creating an art cars cat, at least i will have posted a good link-list for readers of this newsgroup. catherine yronwode Hello,  I’d like to suggest a new subcat under      Recreation: Autos: Enthusiasts It should be for Art Cars. These are not Customized Cars (rods and customs) and they are not Concept Cars either. They are a separate class of modified car, and here are many web pages devoted to the subject, NONE of which i have found at dmoz. Brief mention of Art Cars can be found in the "Arts: Visual" section of the ODP, but frankly, i have found dozens of art car pages that are not listed there — and after all, these are CARS, not "art." I mean, the ODP doesn’t list Customs under "sculpture," so why list Art Cars under "art"??? Anyway, from my own personal bookmarks, here is a start for your new subcat, if you can get it approved. 1) Art Cars in Cyberspace Home Page Start learning about art cars here, with photos, links, construction tips, and event listings http://www.artcars.com/ 2) Art Cars A photo-gallery of art cars. http://www.well.com/user/booter/Artcars/artcars.html 3) City of Art: Seattle’s Art Cars A loose coalition of people who make and own art cars and live in the greater Seattle area; contains a photo-gallery http://www.speakeasy.org/~docschlk/kich5.htm 4) American Visionary Art Museum – Art Cars! Create your one-of-a-kind art car. http://www.avam.org/artcar/ 5) Kodak: Art Cars Harrod Blank’s Camera Van and photos he has taken of other art cars. http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/ artCars/artCarsIntro.shtml 6) Art Car Agency A publicity agency for people who are willing to rent or lease their art cars for display. http://www.artcaragency.com/ 7) Art Cars: High on a Hill A photographer’s galley of art cars and unusual vanity plates seen in the city of San Francisco. http://www.mistersf.com/high/highartcars.htm Motor Legends USA – Art Cars A photo-gallery. http://www.motorlegends.com/artcars.htm 9) St Louis Art Cars Images of art cars glimpsed in Saint Louis. http://www.cruisin66.com/stl/artcars.html 10) Harrod Blank Art Cars A film-maker, author, photographer, car artist, and art car historian’s home page http://www.harrodblank.com/artcars/ 11) ACNE: Art Cars of New England The purpose of this group is to encourage more art cars around New England and around the world. http://www.webmerchants.com/acne/ 12) edsanders.com – Art Cars Pictures of art cars and other interesting cars and trucks. http://www.edsanders.com/auto/auto0009.htm 13) Art Cars Art cars are automobile customization gone wacky. http://www.zenzibar.com/Articles/ed-1-23.htm 14) California Mojo Car A moveable shrine to good luck, magic, and all the religions of the world. http://www.luckymojo.com/mojocar.html 15) ArtCar Fest Annual West Coast gathering of amazing art cars from around the US and Canada. Category: Arts > Visual Arts > Resources > Events http://www.artcarfest.com/ [NOTE: this is the only URL from my bookmarks that is in the ODP, and it is in a VERY inappropriate cat.] 16) The How Berkeley Can You Be? Parade Annual host to a caravan of 80 – 100 art cars. http://gning.org/howberkeley/artcars.html 17) Gettingit.com: Cars For Art’s Sake Article on how children interact with art cars. www.gettingit.com/article/115 18) Emily Duffy: Art Cars Home page of the creator of the Vain Van and the Mondrian Mobile. www.braball.com/MoreArt/artcars.htm 19) Duke’s Photo Page Duke is Rick McKinney’s large and elaborate art truck, covered with remnants of society’s discarded pleasures. http://www.jigglebox.com/dukephotos.html 20) Kelly’s Spot Home of the Leopard Bernstein art car. http://www.kellyspot.com/ 21) Truck in Flux Philo Northrup’s ever-changing art truck, seen in photos from 1991 to the present. http://www.philo.com/ARTCAR/index.html 22) Art Car World A showplace for the love of art cars and their creators. http://www.artcarworld.com/ 23) The "Holey Mercatoy’d" Art Car How a rusted-out 1987 Mercury Cougar was pierced, punctured, and transformed into an art car. http://otuts.tripod.com/OtutsWebPage/ 24) Artistic Licence Australian artist Denise Sutherland’s painted art car. http://sutherland-studios.com.au/car/ And finally, here is your requisite usenet newsgroups link: Now go forth and make a cat out of it, please!!! Sincerely, cat yronwode former dmoz editor

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Here’s what you do trolldoll: Catch you a fish Hold the fish in one hand Hold the camera in the other hand Gently stand up in that canoe of yours Make sure the sun approxiamtely to your immediate left or right Wait on all the water ripples to dissipate (the object is to take a picture of your reflection) Lean forward a little bit Lean forward a little more Lean forward just a little bit more SPLASH!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I want an inexpensive setup where i can do a solo picture of myself holding the > catch. I’m getting tired of  fish only photos. I take it i need a camera with a > timer and small tripod. How do you organize it all and still practise catch and > release. I may go with my polariod but how do i set it up. Thanks Al

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I want an inexpensive setup where i can do a solo picture of myself holding the catch. I’m getting tired of  fish only photos. I take it i need a camera with a timer and small tripod. How do you organize it all and still practise catch and release. I may go with my polariod but how do i set it up. Thanks Al

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If you only had a friend…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I want an inexpensive setup where i can do a solo picture of myself holding the > catch. I’m getting tired of  fish only photos. I take it i need a camera with a > timer and small tripod. How do you organize it all and still practise catch and > release. I may go with my polariod but how do i set it up. Thanks Al

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i wonder if he had a pitch back when he grew up

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you only had a friend… > I want an inexpensive setup where i can do a solo picture of myself > holding the > catch. I’m getting tired of  fish only photos. I take it i need a camera > with a > timer and small tripod. How do you organize it all and still practise > catch and > release. I may go with my polariod but how do i set it up. Thanks Al

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Too funny… Hey Al why not have that Sasquatch guy that was running through the bushes take the pictures,. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > i wonder if he had a pitch back when he grew up > If you only had a friend… > > I want an inexpensive setup where i can do a solo picture of myself > holding the > > catch. I’m getting tired of  fish only photos. I take it i need a camera > with a > > timer and small tripod. How do you organize it all and still practise > catch and > > release. I may go with my polariod but how do i set it up. Thanks Al

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> I have heard various stories about what they check for at security. > Anyone who has flown recently could you please provide information on the > following: > 1.  Can you bring vitamins in you hand checked carryon if they are not in the > original container.,  They wouldbe in the daily dispensers that hold all the > different pills for one day for a week?

No problem. > 2.  Can you bring water bottles with water in them?

Most likely. I walked through sipping a Burger King soda the other day. > 3.  Can you put your film in your pocket to avoid a possible requirement > that you have the film sent through x-ray.  I know that the FAA should > allow you to hand check film, but I heard that sometimes they won’t.  It > seems that film in your pocket should go undetected.

Probably. But if your pocket is bulging from 18 cans of film, you can bet they’re going to look at you funny. > 4.  Camera check – I heard that they might force you to open your camera > to insure that it is a camera.  If you did open it up then you would have > to rewind the film to avoid ruining the film.

I haven’t heard of this. I always travel with a camera in my carry-on and only once since 11-Oct, in London, did someone make me turn it on. In Copenhagen a couple weeks ago I got my first full-on search (boarding a flight to Washington) and even they didn’t give the camera more than a glance. At US airports they’ve poked at my tripod for a few seconds but never dwelled on the camera. > 5.  Does anyone know of a website that might describe the new security > requirements?  I have seen the FAA website and have printed the portion > have to do with film checking/carryons.  I am talking about a non FDAA > website.

I wouldn’t sweat it too much. miguel — Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

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> I am flying in about a month on UAL out of Burbank. > I have heard various stories about what they check for at security. Anyone who > has flown recently could you please provide information on the following: > 1.  Can you bring vitamins in you hand checked carryon if they are not in the > original container.,  They wouldbe in the daily dispensers that hold all the > different pills for one day for a week?

Certainly. Bring whatever over the counter vitamins you want. Any prescription meds should be packed in bottles that clearly show what the meds are, who prescribed them, and what they’re for. > 2.  Can you bring water bottles with water in them?

Sure. I do it all the time. > 3.  Can you put your film in your pocket to avoid a possible requirement that > you have the film sent through x-ray.  I know that the FAA should allow you to > hand check film, but I heard that sometimes they won’t.  It seems that film in > your pocket should go undetected.

No, just let your film go through the carryon scanner. It will not come to any harm unless you scan it many times. The only exception to this is film that’s faster than 1600 speed (which few people use). If the film is too fast, just ask for it to be hand inspected. > 4.  Camera check – I heard that they might force you to open your camera to > insure that it is a camera.  If you did open it up then you would have to > rewind the film to avoid ruining the film.

Just make sure your camera has a charged battery in it. I have been asked to turn on my camera and had the security attendant look through the lens, but that is it. Not a big deal by any means. > 5.  Does anyone know of a website that might describe the new security > requirements?  I have seen the FAA website and have printed the portion have to > do with film checking/carryons.  I am talking about a non FDAA website. > Thanks for any advise on the above

The web site for your airline is a good starting place to look for this info.

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I am flying in about a month on UAL out of Burbank. I have heard various stories about what they check for at security.  Anyone who has flown recently could you please provide information on the following: 1.  Can you bring vitamins in you hand checked carryon if they are not in the original container.,  They wouldbe in the daily dispensers that hold all the different pills for one day for a week? 2.  Can you bring water bottles with water in them? 3.  Can you put your film in your pocket to avoid a possible requirement that you have the film sent through x-ray.  I know that the FAA should allow you to hand check film, but I heard that sometimes they won’t.  It seems that film in your pocket should go undetected. 4.  Camera check – I heard that they might force you to open your camera to insure that it is a camera.  If you did open it up then you would have to rewind the film to avoid ruining the film. 5.  Does anyone know of a website that might describe the new security requirements?  I have seen the FAA website and have printed the portion have to do with film checking/carryons.  I am talking about a non FDAA website. Thanks for any advise on the above

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You will be that long skinny Camera tripod. Duckie > See!  It does help to share.  We DO understand!!! > And no, Gimpfest weekend is not the time to be taking your mtx. > But even so, you felt pretty bad at Gimpfest last year, and had a good time. So > I think you will this year too.  Sure wish I was gonna be there.  But know I > will be, in spirit.  LOL  I will be the ghost in the corner.  LOL > Char > "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. >  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

– Removing the duck to email me privately won’t help a bit now. hehehe (.)> I fix what I can, and accept what I can’t. http://home.attbi.com/~maroldc/Paku/paku.html

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Nothing really to say other than lots of hugs and prayers for feeling better on thier way to you my friend! Donna G

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>You will be that long skinny Camera tripod. >Duckie

You DO mean that short fat one dont you?  LOL Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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No long and skinny — close your eyes — see!!   Duckie >You will be that long skinny Camera tripod. >Duckie > You DO mean that short fat one dont you?  LOL > Char > "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. >  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

– Removing the duck to email me privately won’t help a bit now. hehehe (.)> I fix what I can, and accept what I can’t. http://home.attbi.com/~maroldc/Paku/paku.html

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>No long and skinny — close your eyes — see!!   >Duckie

You DO have an imagination, dont you?  LOL  I may reach skinny some day, but long is totally out of the question.  LOL Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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ROFL — well it is a dream I aspire to as well. My life is a series of short jokes. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->No long and skinny — close your eyes — see!! >Duckie > You DO have an imagination, dont you?  LOL  I may reach skinny some day, but > long is totally out of the question.  LOL > Char

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I’m not very good at sharing when I feel like crap, all my instincts tell me to keep it to myself, but I’m feeling really *shitty* today (no other word describes). And I think that’s what I’m supposed to use this group for sometimes right? I had to start back on .4cc mtx. I know it’s a small amount, but even small amounts seem to really affect me. I took a shot Friday night and yesterday I felt like I was trying to move around under 500 feet of water, and I kept wanting to cry at anything. And of course there’s the wonderful nausea. I feel just as rotten today. I don’t want to do anything at all.  I don’t think it’s just the MTX, I think I’m also just SO depressed I have to go through having two days of feeling lousy every week once again. It was so nice to have every day available for planning things (as long as I didn’t overdo). I’m still on the Enbrel, and it does help, but it just doesn’t carry me from one shot to the next. Whew…I think I feel a little better. Thanks! xoxo -kk P.S. I’m not even BRINGING any MTX with me to Gimpfest. Forget it!

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Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m not very good at sharing when I feel like crap, all my instincts > tell me to keep it to myself, but I’m feeling really *shitty* today (no > other word describes). And I think that’s what I’m supposed to use this > group for sometimes right? > I had to start back on .4cc mtx. I know it’s a small amount, but even > small amounts seem to really affect me. I took a shot Friday night and > yesterday I felt like I was trying to move around under 500 feet of > water, and I kept wanting to cry at anything. And of course there’s the > wonderful nausea. I feel just as rotten today. I don’t want to do > anything at all.  I don’t think it’s just the MTX, I think I’m also just > SO depressed I have to go through having two days of feeling lousy every > week once again. It was so nice to have every day available for planning > things (as long as I didn’t overdo). > I’m still on the Enbrel, and it does help, but it just doesn’t carry me > from one shot to the next. > Whew…I think I feel a little better. Thanks! > xoxo > -kk > P.S. I’m not even BRINGING any MTX with me to Gimpfest. Forget it!

– Removing the duck to email me privately won’t help a bit now. hehehe (.)> I fix what I can, and accept what I can’t. http://home.attbi.com/~maroldc/Paku/paku.html

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>>I’m still on the Enbrel, and it does help, but it just doesn’t carry me >from one shot to the next. > {{{{{Karen}}}}}  How about a IM steroid shot prior to the gimpfest?  I think > I’m going to call my RD for a "little something" to help me through the next 2 > months. > Sarah L

Now that is a good idea.  Traveling is always stressful and a shot might   just be the thing to let you have a good time.  May all of you have a good time and everything go smooth.  Like Char, I will be there in spirit and all of you are prayed for.  I really enjoyed the one I went to and everyone else did too. Harv

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>P.S. I’m not even BRINGING any MTX with me to Gimpfest. Forget it!

Me either! That shit stays home! I always skip my injection the week of a gimpfest! {{{KaeKae}}}}} Feel better! ~KJ Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential. Tina’s eBay Auctions Plus Size and Vintage Clothing http://www.fadedjeans.com/tina/

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says… > I had to start back on .4cc mtx. I know it’s a small amount, but even > small amounts seem to really affect me. I took a shot Friday night and > yesterday I felt like I was trying to move around under 500 feet of > water, and I kept wanting to cry at anything. And of course there’s the > wonderful nausea. I feel just as rotten today. I don’t want to do > anything at all.  I don’t think it’s just the MTX, I think I’m also just > SO depressed I have to go through having two days of feeling lousy every > week once again. It was so nice to have every day available for planning > things (as long as I didn’t overdo).

Many of us need a DMARD in addition to Enbrel.  Jean had many problems with mtx and mood swings, depression and last time she posted said she was doing very well on Arava and Enbrel. (Jean are you out there?)  You might ask your Dr about it. I seem to have incredible tolerance to it. Incidentally Enbrel eventually stopped working for me; I have done much better on Remicade but it did take a dose increase. — MZ Fai Pisinisi Kuluku! Aua le faataua ni au oloa!  Noni Juice End vindictive business practices boycott Noni juice.

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>>P.S. I’m not even BRINGING any MTX with me to Gimpfest. Forget it! >Me either! That shit stays home! I always skip my injection the week of a >gimpfest!

I figure I will do my injection on the wednesday (usually do it Friday) which means I will be sleepy and headachy for the flight thursday and fine by friday. Or should I put it off till Sunday night that week instead? Any suggestions? Aim

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I am sorry to hear that you are feeling crabby, crappy. lousy, shitty, awful, no damn good for nothing, bitchy, cranky, rotten, bad, etc. (I was trying to think of a few good synonyms, I ‘m sure others can contribute a few more). This must be the weekend for it. Yesterday I felt the worst that I have felt in a long, long time. All I can say is, take care of yourself, rest up, have a good long soak in an aromatic tub and try to feel better for gimpfest. Rose

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>I’m still on the Enbrel, and it does help, but it just doesn’t carry me >from one shot to the next.

{{{{{Karen}}}}}  How about a IM steroid shot prior to the gimpfest?  I think I’m going to call my RD for a "little something" to help me through the next 2 months. Sarah L "Friends are those people who know the words to the song in your heart and sing them back to you when you have forgotten the words."  (unattributed)

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>{{{{{Karen}}}}}  How about a IM steroid shot prior to the gimpfest?  I think >I’m going to call my RD for a "little something" to help me through the next >2 >months.

I have an RD appointment 3 days before the gimpfest and I plan on asking for my normal Spring Boost then! ~KJ Akron, Ohio http://arthritisinsight.com Knowledge is power…support is essential. Tina’s eBay Auctions Plus Size and Vintage Clothing http://www.fadedjeans.com/tina/

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Karen, I do hope you will be feeling good for the gimfest.  In fact, I’ve been praying for everybody to stay well enough to really enjoy it. Gwen Love

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oh, kk, i know that mtx nausea! i start gagging just thinking about the stuff. i took it with my enbrel, but had to give it up and switch to arava. i don’t recall, have you tried arava yet? diane

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>Whew…I think I feel a little better. Thanks! >xoxo >-kk

See!  It does help to share.  We DO understand!!! And no, Gimpfest weekend is not the time to be taking your mtx. But even so, you felt pretty bad at Gimpfest last year, and had a good time. So I think you will this year too.  Sure wish I was gonna be there.  But know I will be, in spirit.  LOL  I will be the ghost in the corner.  LOL Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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>Hi! I have one of those cameras that you can "develop" the picture on the >computer.  I sometimes use a program called MGI PhotoSuite (that came with my >scanner) to remove red – eye or "Pet Eye".

<snip> Thanks for all the good advice! Now if I could just get the cats to *pose*! Anna

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>If you don’t have a detachable or stand-alone flash, the tripod won’t do much >good–although if your cat will sit still long enough, you might be able to >take a picture indoors using a tripod and no flash.

No detachable flash unfortunately.  Maybe I’ll try the tripod in some natural light.  I’m so tired of a picture coming out really good except for the glowing eyes, lol.  Thanks, Yngver Lauren =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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> Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some > of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with > "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see > this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and > capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? > Anna

      Hi! I have one of those cameras that you can "develop" the picture on the computer.  I sometimes use a program called MGI PhotoSuite (that came with my scanner) to remove red – eye or "Pet Eye".  If you have a regular camera (use low light film), try to get your film developed onto a disc, that you can place into your computer, and see if you can edit some of those pictures using any photo editor you have (Or download a trial for a photo editor… there are others out there) and then play with the picture until you get the results you like. (This will require a lot of time depending on the effect you’d like, or how much work you’ll need to do for the photo) I have been able to remove the red eye, in some of my pets pictures and still keep their natural eye color intact. I’ve been able to remove things from the background (a beer can for instance) and you’d never be able to tell.  With my type of camera I’m able to see the picture, and if I don’t like it, I can re~shoot it.  Unfortunately before I got this camera I was using the disposable cameras, and had to take my chances, so I didn’t have the luxury of a re~shoot of that "perfect moment". I did get my pictures developed onto disc, and whenever I have time now I try to go back and edit the old photos (Kitten Photos of my 5 year old cats).  I keep my cats indoors, so I’ve had a lot of problems with red eye in low light situations.  Bringing lamps into the area can help (this should be done way before you see your cat doing something wonderful ~ You wont get the shot…), I have a white cat and a black & white cat and a tabby, the white cat can "Get lost" on a white background, the black & white one gets lost in a dark setting … the tabby .. if she’d stay still long enough… turns out too dark at times. I think some planning & experimentation of colors, that you could place around them would help in getting that perfect photo, try for example to take a photo of your cat near a houseplant and see what the effects might be. Getting back to the red eyes though, if you have a way to get your cat near a good light source, overhead lights turned on, curtains wide open, try to take the picture without a flash. The nighttime photos are a whole different animal. I had a miniature christmas tree for years and I’d place my cats near that to take their pictures at night (around christmas). Once while visiting my sister, I took some pictures of her cat, and when I got them developed her cat looked like she had headlights for eyes (not just the red eye)…. much editing would not make the photo look natural… I deiced that the cat photo should remain untouched, sometimes the bad pictures look cool. Well I hope this helps ya, Anna

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> Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some > of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with > "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see > this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and > capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? > Anna

Hi (again!) Anna, I’m no pro when it comes to taking pictures, but I’ve had good luck with taking pics where Tucker isn’t looking at the camera directly. That way, the flash doesn’t bounce off his eyes. Something like a side shot, or a shot of him playing or looking to the side. And sometimes, I’ve just had dumb luck in getting a good pic where he’s looking at the camera. What hasn’t worked for me is using the red eye feature on my camera. It sends two flashes, but with a cat, after the first flash they move, so you don’t get the picture you want. Rene

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>I’m not quite sure I understand this.  What does putting the camera on a >tripod >make a difference?  What do you mean, bounce the flash?  All I’ve got is a >point and shoot, but I do have a tripod.  Also, I have tried the red eye >reduction, but it really didn’t make much difference.

If you don’t have a detachable or stand-alone flash, the tripod won’t do much good–although if your cat will sit still long enough, you might be able to take a picture indoors using a tripod and no flash. With an SLR, you can put the camera on a tripod and use a separate flash unit that won’t fire directly into the cat’s eyes. Bouncing means you aim the flash at a reflecting screen or something similar, so that the light "bounces" from that to the subject. But with a point and shoot, you can’t really do much other than try to take a picture in natural light. I didn’t know what kind of equipment you were working with when I mentioned the other techniques.

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Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? Anna

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Usually pictures taken outside are your best bet.  I have gotten some really awesome pictures of my cats outside….. I lie down on the grass and get on their level, and do some nice close ups.  The ones where the grass is the only background really look nice.  I have an awesome picture of my deceased Sam which I enlarged as a tribute to him after he died.  It’s a gorgeous pic. If your cats aren’t very good outside, try and take pictures near a window. Place a chair just in front of a window (make sure the sun is not glaring in from behind, but at an angle) and put your cat on the chair, crouch down a little and have someone else coax the cat to look pretty with a treat or something. I find I get the most problems with glowy eyes, when it is too dark and the flash goes off on the camera.  This is usually the culprit for glowy eyes. HTH, Kelly

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some > of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with > "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see > this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and > capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? > Anna

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>Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture >some >of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with >"glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see >this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and >capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? >Anna

It depends on how seriously you want to get into cat photography (meaning it depends on how much you want to invest). As someone else pointed out, you can eliminate the problem of the flash reflecting from their eyes by taking photos in natural light. This can be outdoors or in a sunny room indoors. You can also try the "red eye reduction" feature on most point and shoot cameras, but in my experience this works a lot better with people than with animals. You will probably get some reflection even with the red-eye reduction feature. What pros do is use a camera on a tripod and position or bounce the flash off the wall or something similar, so that the flash isn’t reflected directly into the cats’ eyes. Again, depending on how much you want to get into this as a hobby, you can buy an SLR and use fast film to take photos in relatively low indoor light. Basically, the point is to avoid having a flash reflect directly into the cat’s eyes, and there are a number of ways to do this.

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Thanks for all of the replies. I think I’ll have to try to take some no-flash pictures (though I think we’ve seen our last sunny day for a while!). Anna

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>What pros do is use a camera on a tripod and position or bounce the flash off >the wall or something similar, so that the flash isn’t reflected directly >into >the cats’ eyes.

I’m not quite sure I understand this.  What does putting the camera on a tripod make a difference?  What do you mean, bounce the flash?  All I’ve got is a point and shoot, but I do have a tripod.  Also, I have tried the red eye reduction, but it really didn’t make much difference. =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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>Hi! I have one of those cameras that you can "develop" the picture on the >computer.  I sometimes use a program called MGI PhotoSuite (that came with my >scanner) to remove red – eye or "Pet Eye".

<snip> Thanks for all the good advice! Now if I could just get the cats to *pose*! Anna

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>If you don’t have a detachable or stand-alone flash, the tripod won’t do much >good–although if your cat will sit still long enough, you might be able to >take a picture indoors using a tripod and no flash.

No detachable flash unfortunately.  Maybe I’ll try the tripod in some natural light.  I’m so tired of a picture coming out really good except for the glowing eyes, lol.  Thanks, Yngver Lauren =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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> Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some > of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with > "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see > this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and > capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? > Anna

      Hi! I have one of those cameras that you can "develop" the picture on the computer.  I sometimes use a program called MGI PhotoSuite (that came with my scanner) to remove red – eye or "Pet Eye".  If you have a regular camera (use low light film), try to get your film developed onto a disc, that you can place into your computer, and see if you can edit some of those pictures using any photo editor you have (Or download a trial for a photo editor… there are others out there) and then play with the picture until you get the results you like. (This will require a lot of time depending on the effect you’d like, or how much work you’ll need to do for the photo) I have been able to remove the red eye, in some of my pets pictures and still keep their natural eye color intact. I’ve been able to remove things from the background (a beer can for instance) and you’d never be able to tell.  With my type of camera I’m able to see the picture, and if I don’t like it, I can re~shoot it.  Unfortunately before I got this camera I was using the disposable cameras, and had to take my chances, so I didn’t have the luxury of a re~shoot of that "perfect moment". I did get my pictures developed onto disc, and whenever I have time now I try to go back and edit the old photos (Kitten Photos of my 5 year old cats).  I keep my cats indoors, so I’ve had a lot of problems with red eye in low light situations.  Bringing lamps into the area can help (this should be done way before you see your cat doing something wonderful ~ You wont get the shot…), I have a white cat and a black & white cat and a tabby, the white cat can "Get lost" on a white background, the black & white one gets lost in a dark setting … the tabby .. if she’d stay still long enough… turns out too dark at times. I think some planning & experimentation of colors, that you could place around them would help in getting that perfect photo, try for example to take a photo of your cat near a houseplant and see what the effects might be. Getting back to the red eyes though, if you have a way to get your cat near a good light source, overhead lights turned on, curtains wide open, try to take the picture without a flash. The nighttime photos are a whole different animal. I had a miniature christmas tree for years and I’d place my cats near that to take their pictures at night (around christmas). Once while visiting my sister, I took some pictures of her cat, and when I got them developed her cat looked like she had headlights for eyes (not just the red eye)…. much editing would not make the photo look natural… I deiced that the cat photo should remain untouched, sometimes the bad pictures look cool. Well I hope this helps ya, Anna

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> Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some > of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with > "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see > this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and > capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? > Anna

Hi (again!) Anna, I’m no pro when it comes to taking pictures, but I’ve had good luck with taking pics where Tucker isn’t looking at the camera directly. That way, the flash doesn’t bounce off his eyes. Something like a side shot, or a shot of him playing or looking to the side. And sometimes, I’ve just had dumb luck in getting a good pic where he’s looking at the camera. What hasn’t worked for me is using the red eye feature on my camera. It sends two flashes, but with a cat, after the first flash they move, so you don’t get the picture you want. Rene

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>I’m not quite sure I understand this.  What does putting the camera on a >tripod >make a difference?  What do you mean, bounce the flash?  All I’ve got is a >point and shoot, but I do have a tripod.  Also, I have tried the red eye >reduction, but it really didn’t make much difference.

If you don’t have a detachable or stand-alone flash, the tripod won’t do much good–although if your cat will sit still long enough, you might be able to take a picture indoors using a tripod and no flash. With an SLR, you can put the camera on a tripod and use a separate flash unit that won’t fire directly into the cat’s eyes. Bouncing means you aim the flash at a reflecting screen or something similar, so that the light "bounces" from that to the subject. But with a point and shoot, you can’t really do much other than try to take a picture in natural light. I didn’t know what kind of equipment you were working with when I mentioned the other techniques.

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Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? Anna

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Usually pictures taken outside are your best bet.  I have gotten some really awesome pictures of my cats outside….. I lie down on the grass and get on their level, and do some nice close ups.  The ones where the grass is the only background really look nice.  I have an awesome picture of my deceased Sam which I enlarged as a tribute to him after he died.  It’s a gorgeous pic. If your cats aren’t very good outside, try and take pictures near a window. Place a chair just in front of a window (make sure the sun is not glaring in from behind, but at an angle) and put your cat on the chair, crouch down a little and have someone else coax the cat to look pretty with a treat or something. I find I get the most problems with glowy eyes, when it is too dark and the flash goes off on the camera.  This is usually the culprit for glowy eyes. HTH, Kelly

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some > of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with > "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see > this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and > capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? > Anna

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>Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture >some >of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with >"glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see >this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and >capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? >Anna

It depends on how seriously you want to get into cat photography (meaning it depends on how much you want to invest). As someone else pointed out, you can eliminate the problem of the flash reflecting from their eyes by taking photos in natural light. This can be outdoors or in a sunny room indoors. You can also try the "red eye reduction" feature on most point and shoot cameras, but in my experience this works a lot better with people than with animals. You will probably get some reflection even with the red-eye reduction feature. What pros do is use a camera on a tripod and position or bounce the flash off the wall or something similar, so that the flash isn’t reflected directly into the cats’ eyes. Again, depending on how much you want to get into this as a hobby, you can buy an SLR and use fast film to take photos in relatively low indoor light. Basically, the point is to avoid having a flash reflect directly into the cat’s eyes, and there are a number of ways to do this.

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Thanks for all of the replies. I think I’ll have to try to take some no-flash pictures (though I think we’ve seen our last sunny day for a while!). Anna

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>What pros do is use a camera on a tripod and position or bounce the flash off >the wall or something similar, so that the flash isn’t reflected directly >into >the cats’ eyes.

I’m not quite sure I understand this.  What does putting the camera on a tripod make a difference?  What do you mean, bounce the flash?  All I’ve got is a point and shoot, but I do have a tripod.  Also, I have tried the red eye reduction, but it really didn’t make much difference. =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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>Hi! I have one of those cameras that you can "develop" the picture on the >computer.  I sometimes use a program called MGI PhotoSuite (that came with my >scanner) to remove red – eye or "Pet Eye".

<snip> Thanks for all the good advice! Now if I could just get the cats to *pose*! Anna

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>If you don’t have a detachable or stand-alone flash, the tripod won’t do much >good–although if your cat will sit still long enough, you might be able to >take a picture indoors using a tripod and no flash.

No detachable flash unfortunately.  Maybe I’ll try the tripod in some natural light.  I’m so tired of a picture coming out really good except for the glowing eyes, lol.  Thanks, Yngver Lauren =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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> Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some > of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with > "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see > this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and > capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? > Anna

      Hi! I have one of those cameras that you can "develop" the picture on the computer.  I sometimes use a program called MGI PhotoSuite (that came with my scanner) to remove red – eye or "Pet Eye".  If you have a regular camera (use low light film), try to get your film developed onto a disc, that you can place into your computer, and see if you can edit some of those pictures using any photo editor you have (Or download a trial for a photo editor… there are others out there) and then play with the picture until you get the results you like. (This will require a lot of time depending on the effect you’d like, or how much work you’ll need to do for the photo) I have been able to remove the red eye, in some of my pets pictures and still keep their natural eye color intact. I’ve been able to remove things from the background (a beer can for instance) and you’d never be able to tell.  With my type of camera I’m able to see the picture, and if I don’t like it, I can re~shoot it.  Unfortunately before I got this camera I was using the disposable cameras, and had to take my chances, so I didn’t have the luxury of a re~shoot of that "perfect moment". I did get my pictures developed onto disc, and whenever I have time now I try to go back and edit the old photos (Kitten Photos of my 5 year old cats).  I keep my cats indoors, so I’ve had a lot of problems with red eye in low light situations.  Bringing lamps into the area can help (this should be done way before you see your cat doing something wonderful ~ You wont get the shot…), I have a white cat and a black & white cat and a tabby, the white cat can "Get lost" on a white background, the black & white one gets lost in a dark setting … the tabby .. if she’d stay still long enough… turns out too dark at times. I think some planning & experimentation of colors, that you could place around them would help in getting that perfect photo, try for example to take a photo of your cat near a houseplant and see what the effects might be. Getting back to the red eyes though, if you have a way to get your cat near a good light source, overhead lights turned on, curtains wide open, try to take the picture without a flash. The nighttime photos are a whole different animal. I had a miniature christmas tree for years and I’d place my cats near that to take their pictures at night (around christmas). Once while visiting my sister, I took some pictures of her cat, and when I got them developed her cat looked like she had headlights for eyes (not just the red eye)…. much editing would not make the photo look natural… I deiced that the cat photo should remain untouched, sometimes the bad pictures look cool. Well I hope this helps ya, Anna

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> Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some > of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with > "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see > this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and > capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? > Anna

Hi (again!) Anna, I’m no pro when it comes to taking pictures, but I’ve had good luck with taking pics where Tucker isn’t looking at the camera directly. That way, the flash doesn’t bounce off his eyes. Something like a side shot, or a shot of him playing or looking to the side. And sometimes, I’ve just had dumb luck in getting a good pic where he’s looking at the camera. What hasn’t worked for me is using the red eye feature on my camera. It sends two flashes, but with a cat, after the first flash they move, so you don’t get the picture you want. Rene

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>I’m not quite sure I understand this.  What does putting the camera on a >tripod >make a difference?  What do you mean, bounce the flash?  All I’ve got is a >point and shoot, but I do have a tripod.  Also, I have tried the red eye >reduction, but it really didn’t make much difference.

If you don’t have a detachable or stand-alone flash, the tripod won’t do much good–although if your cat will sit still long enough, you might be able to take a picture indoors using a tripod and no flash. With an SLR, you can put the camera on a tripod and use a separate flash unit that won’t fire directly into the cat’s eyes. Bouncing means you aim the flash at a reflecting screen or something similar, so that the light "bounces" from that to the subject. But with a point and shoot, you can’t really do much other than try to take a picture in natural light. I didn’t know what kind of equipment you were working with when I mentioned the other techniques.

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Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? Anna

Response:

Usually pictures taken outside are your best bet.  I have gotten some really awesome pictures of my cats outside….. I lie down on the grass and get on their level, and do some nice close ups.  The ones where the grass is the only background really look nice.  I have an awesome picture of my deceased Sam which I enlarged as a tribute to him after he died.  It’s a gorgeous pic. If your cats aren’t very good outside, try and take pictures near a window. Place a chair just in front of a window (make sure the sun is not glaring in from behind, but at an angle) and put your cat on the chair, crouch down a little and have someone else coax the cat to look pretty with a treat or something. I find I get the most problems with glowy eyes, when it is too dark and the flash goes off on the camera.  This is usually the culprit for glowy eyes. HTH, Kelly

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture some > of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with > "glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see > this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and > capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? > Anna

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>Well, this sort of falls under kitty behavior in that I’d like to capture >some >of it on film. My problem is that my pictures of my cats always come out with >"glowy eyes." When others post their pics (which I always love!) I don’t see >this problem. So, my question is, how do you take a picture of a cat and >capture the color of their eyes and not get big orbs of glowing light? >Anna

It depends on how seriously you want to get into cat photography (meaning it depends on how much you want to invest). As someone else pointed out, you can eliminate the problem of the flash reflecting from their eyes by taking photos in natural light. This can be outdoors or in a sunny room indoors. You can also try the "red eye reduction" feature on most point and shoot cameras, but in my experience this works a lot better with people than with animals. You will probably get some reflection even with the red-eye reduction feature. What pros do is use a camera on a tripod and position or bounce the flash off the wall or something similar, so that the flash isn’t reflected directly into the cats’ eyes. Again, depending on how much you want to get into this as a hobby, you can buy an SLR and use fast film to take photos in relatively low indoor light. Basically, the point is to avoid having a flash reflect directly into the cat’s eyes, and there are a number of ways to do this.

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Thanks for all of the replies. I think I’ll have to try to take some no-flash pictures (though I think we’ve seen our last sunny day for a while!). Anna

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>What pros do is use a camera on a tripod and position or bounce the flash off >the wall or something similar, so that the flash isn’t reflected directly >into >the cats’ eyes.

I’m not quite sure I understand this.  What does putting the camera on a tripod make a difference?  What do you mean, bounce the flash?  All I’ve got is a point and shoot, but I do have a tripod.  Also, I have tried the red eye reduction, but it really didn’t make much difference. =^..^= See my cats:   http://photos.yahoo.com/mickey4paws2000

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Try a photographers vest, very simular to a fishermans vest.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m looking for a daypack with the following in mind: > Primarily use would be to carry camera gear with the ability to carry a tripod > lashed to the bottom. > External storage for water bottles > Pockets for storing film, filters, etc. > Divided main storage compartment to keep food away from camera gear. > No more than 1700 ci capacity > Thanks, > Randy

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I’m looking for a daypack with the following in mind: Primarily use would be to carry camera gear with the ability to carry a tripod lashed to the bottom. External storage for water bottles Pockets for storing film, filters, etc. Divided main storage compartment to keep food away from camera gear. No more than 1700 ci capacity Thanks, Randy

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> Hello, > We are planning a trip to Kenya and Tanzania, can anyone please > recommend what to bring in turns of photo equipment? Specifically: > 1.  is it recommended to bring a zoom lens?

Yes, don’t leave home without it. 70 or 80-300 mm > 2.  should I also bring a tripod? I’m wondering if one will remain in > the safari vehicle, how do you use the tripod?

You won’t likely use a tripod. Bring a beanbag or similar to  lay on the lip of the top of the vehicle to steady the camera on long shots > 3.  what kind of film is recommended?

I take mostly ASA 200 36 exp. and some ASA400 24 exp. > Thank you in advance for your time.

You’re welcome. For informaiton, see my travel article at http://www.softadventure.net/tanzania_wildlife_safari.htm and tour description at http://www.softadventure.net/tanzania2000.htm. Write if you have questions. Harlan —    Soft adventure tours, the way to go, at http://www.softadventure.net    Costa Rica/Belize/Tikal, http://www.softadventure.net/crbelize2002.htm     Japan in Autumn 2002. Description will be posted shortly. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jennifer

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Harlan, Have you seen a Masai warrior lately? I just about fell off my chair when I read this. I can well imagine your fright!! >We were scared out of our wits when a Masai warrior, >steel-tipped spear in

hand, stepped from the shadows >into the middle of the path in front of us. We stared at >each other. I pondered flight. >"Jambo," I said. >"Jambo," he replied, then stepped off the path. I learned >the next day

that he was the watchman — Julie D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I like to thank everyone who replied to my posting.  You all have given me valuable information, greatly appreciated.  Thank you, Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Jennifer, > We are planning a trip to Kenya and Tanzania, can anyone please > recommend what to bring in turns of photo equipment? Specifically: > 1.  is it recommended to bring a zoom lens? > Yes it is. A zoom in the 75-300mm range would be the most usefull. > 2.  should I also bring a tripod? I’m wondering if one will remain in > the safari vehicle, how do you use the tripod? > It’s my experience that a tripod is extremely difficult to use in a safari > vehicle. There just isn’t enough room to set it up. A beanbag would be more > usefull. > 3.  what kind of film is recommended? > That depends on the max. aperture of your lens. I always take Fuji Realla > (100ISO) film and some 400 and 800 ISO film for in the morning. I can do a > midroll rewind with my camera so changing from 100 to 400 ISO isn’t a > problem for me. If your camera can’t do a mid-roll rewind then 200ISO would > probably be a good choice. > Cheers, Arnoud > — > E-mail    - a.quanjer(at)planet.nl > ICQ       – 64437588 > Homepage (South African Wildlife) –  http://home.planet.nl/~quanj014

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Hello, We are planning a trip to Kenya and Tanzania, can anyone please recommend what to bring in turns of photo equipment? Specifically: 1.  is it recommended to bring a zoom lens?   2.  should I also bring a tripod? I’m wondering if one will remain in the safari vehicle, how do you use the tripod? 3.  what kind of film is recommended? Thank you in advance for your time. Jennifer

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> Hello, > We are planning a trip to Kenya and Tanzania, can anyone please > recommend what to bring in turns of photo equipment? Specifically: > 1.  is it recommended to bring a zoom lens?  

Yes, for sure. I find a 57 – 300mm most useful. > 2.  should I also bring a tripod? I’m wondering if one will remain in > the safari vehicle, how do you use the tripod?

You really can’t use a tripod in the vehicle on a brochure safari.  Even if you are on a private safari it is very awkward.  Depending on your itinerary, you may be able to use one in certain places, e.g. Lake Nakuru. However, you can use a window mount or clamp.  My window mount opens wide enough to fit on the roof of the vehicle also.  You can use a beanbag.  Most of the time, I use a rolled-up sweater. > 3.  what kind of film is recommended?

Your favourite. It’s greyer and lower in light than you’d imagine a lot of the time, especially in July-August. More info on my site at: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/lizleyden/safari/hints/tippho.htm This is just my 2p worth – other group members have good info on their sites too.   Liz — Website: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/lizleyden Kenya & Tanzania safaris,  Seychelles & India Image manipulation and some basic computer calligraphy.

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An 85mm-210mm zoom lens is about right. More costly ones have lower f-stops. Max of 300mm in a fixed-length lens. tripod? I say a beanbag instead. film? lots of opinions on this one, and the right answer depends on your end use. Slide film is so much better, but most everyday folks want prints, not slides. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Bring at least twice as much film as you think you will need. My first safari I used nearly 40 rolls. You get a bit more selective as you go on but I still come back with 36 shots of one ellie! Don’t forget to take some of the landscape as well – it’s easy to forget some scene setters when you are surrounded by amazing animals. Joanna

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> An 85mm-210mm zoom lens is about right. > More costly ones have lower f-stops. > Max of 300mm in a fixed-length lens. > tripod? I say a beanbag instead. > film? lots of opinions on this one, and > the right answer depends on your end > use. Slide film is so much better, but most > everyday folks want prints, not slides.

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We have been in Kenia in 1999, and we use the following photo equipment: One camera with a 75- 300 mm One camera with a 35 -70 mm Films used:  Slide E100SW                    Photo: ASA400 We have a tripod but it was not able to use it. Remeber to have enough films and bateries, is not dificult to find bateries and films but they are not very cheap. Pep & Antonia Cifre

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Hi Jennifer, > We are planning a trip to Kenya and Tanzania, can anyone please > recommend what to bring in turns of photo equipment? Specifically: > 1.  is it recommended to bring a zoom lens?

Yes it is. A zoom in the 75-300mm range would be the most usefull. > 2.  should I also bring a tripod? I’m wondering if one will remain in > the safari vehicle, how do you use the tripod?

It’s my experience that a tripod is extremely difficult to use in a safari vehicle. There just isn’t enough room to set it up. A beanbag would be more usefull. > 3.  what kind of film is recommended?

That depends on the max. aperture of your lens. I always take Fuji Realla (100ISO) film and some 400 and 800 ISO film for in the morning. I can do a midroll rewind with my camera so changing from 100 to 400 ISO isn’t a problem for me. If your camera can’t do a mid-roll rewind then 200ISO would probably be a good choice. Cheers, Arnoud — E-mail    - a.quanjer(at)planet.nl ICQ       – 64437588 Homepage (South African Wildlife) –  http://home.planet.nl/~quanj014

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Yes, well done, do you remember you wrote this. Wake up Clive. —-EXTRACT—– So are we prohibited to talk about anything in here rather than BMW?  I am not the one who generate this post for my own sake, I just share my opinion with others within this topic.  I saw your reply in the post "My a** is bleeding!".  Definitely this mail has nothing to do with "BMW" unless your a** is bleeding because of your BMW!!! —-END EXTRACT—-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey, do you remember you wrote this? > Oh Dear, you are clearly wasting valuable bandwith posting here. Lets just > look at a few fairly major points shall we? > 1/ This is a BMW news group (hence the name alt.autos.BMW (the clue is the > last 3 letters – BMW).

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Good for you, skoda man, for having the balls to fess-up in such a frank and revealing manner…….there should be more like yourself in this world, but no, they choose to hide behind the masquerade and subterfuge of BMW admiration. I confess, that I, too, belong amongst these low-life scuzzbags. The shame, the shame……. I do know where you’re coming from with the Queen Mum’s jigsaw, look that prevents one from matching the pieces easily. Press-on and trust your judgement, which is clearly superb An admirer

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Actually I dont rate BMW or ALFA. Pride of place in my Garage is a Skoda > Favorit 1.3SX – Note it is the luxury SX model with a manual Sunroof and > Push Button radio. The best function on the car is the rear seats 70/30 fold > down function, comes in very handy – I can lie my camera and tripod down > quite easily. I am a keen train spotter and enjoy taking pictures of them > all. I was only saying to my friend on the allotment yesterday, I really > enjoy a bit of Train Spotting. Still I havent had chance this week – I have > been busy doing a jigsaw, I love doing jigsaw’s – the one i am doing at the > moment is the queen mum. Its her mouth I cant get into at the moment, > managed to do the rest of her, but when it comes to her mouth, my > concentration goes and its just one big flop, so to speak. Still thats > enough about me, after all this is a BMW newsgroup.

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Thankyou, but just because I own a Skoda Doesnt mean I am not cool, I know all this cool speak. Yeah, yo digging it, banging way to fess up bro. See, now who could match that?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good for you, skoda man, for having the balls to fess-up in such a frank and > revealing manner…….there should be more like yourself in this world, but > no, they choose to hide behind the masquerade and subterfuge of BMW > admiration. I confess, that I, too, belong amongst these low-life scuzzbags. > The shame, the shame……. > I do know where you’re coming from with the Queen Mum’s jigsaw, > look that prevents one from matching the pieces easily. Press-on and trust > your judgement, which is clearly superb > An admirer > Actually I dont rate BMW or ALFA. Pride of place in my Garage is a Skoda > Favorit 1.3SX – Note it is the luxury SX model with a manual Sunroof and > Push Button radio. The best function on the car is the rear seats 70/30 > fold > down function, comes in very handy – I can lie my camera and tripod down > quite easily. I am a keen train spotter and enjoy taking pictures of them > all. I was only saying to my friend on the allotment yesterday, I really > enjoy a bit of Train Spotting. Still I havent had chance this week – I > have > been busy doing a jigsaw, I love doing jigsaw’s – the one i am doing at > the > moment is the queen mum. Its her mouth I cant get into at the moment, > managed to do the rest of her, but when it comes to her mouth, my > concentration goes and its just one big flop, so to speak. Still thats > enough about me, after all this is a BMW newsgroup.

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one word for you two,  sick skodas, geez the old anarchist

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My God I can hardly contain myself, the thought of you, your brown Skoda and > a Jigsaw really excites me. Do you know I was thinking just the other day, > wouldnt it be nice if I met a girl with a Brown Skoda, the good lord was > listening after all. I agree about BMW’s, the thing about the Skoda is that > you really do feel every inch of the road, and sara you would definitely > feel every inch of me too. Still I am not one to brag, but I was once told > "3 inches, unbelieveable, really something else", thats all she said, but I > could tell she had experienced something very different. I just smiled and > winked in a kind of knowing way, anyway dont like to brag, but my starsign > is Taurus (Bull) and I reckon I must be hung like one – she had a very > faraway look in her eyes at the time, like it was out of this world. > Yesterday, I bought a new steering wheel for my Skoda. Some tosser had > bought a really small one, made by some company called Mumo I think, anyway > I now have a nice big one, from a Ford Transit, had to pay