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SEA: Two hour wait at security screening
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > They don’t do it from the _bag_ point of view: they do it from the _passenger_ > point of view. If a passenger checks in for a flight but does not board, they > can ask the computer whether he/she checked any bags. If not, the flight just > goes without them. If so, they’ll hold the plane a few more minutes and make > multiple announcements with the effect of "Mr. Bell, please board flight 155 > RIGHT NOW. If you do not, your bags will be offloaded and the plane will go > without you." (you’ll hear this quite commonly at European airports). If the pax > still doesn’t turn up, then the ramp people will go and search the hold and > remove the bags. This takes a while as they don’t generally know where in the > hold the bags are, but they know how many bags were checked and what the tag > numbers were (that’s part of the computer record). > So there’s generally no need to monitor bags as they are loaded. A passenger > checking in but failing to board is a rare enough occurrence that they can just > offload the bags (with a significant delay, of course) when it happens. > It does happen, however, that occasionally the security people are paranoid > enough that all passengers have to troop down to the tarmac as they board the > flight, and identify their luggage as being theirs before it is loaded. This is > uncommon, though. > Of course, none of this really protects against a suicide bomber, or a corrupt > ramp agent who just loads on his friend’s bomb. > Alistair
Thanks for the info! That clears it up. C.
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> Going on a 10 day cruise next week & T.A. just told us we are only > allowed ONE carry on & a hand bag or camera bag is now considered the > ONE carry on? (US AIR out of PHILLY). On web site US AIR states TWO > carry ons & one checked? Who is right? Do i have to run out & buy two > giant bags for checked luggage & hope they don’t get lost or damaged? > MACAW
Prepare for one carryon and carry ONLY bare essentials. I was flying in business MUC to IAD and UA sent out an email (other notificiations?) stating out of MUC only 1 carryon was allowed as it was searched very thoroughly. One question though, did you really expect to get the contents of 2 giant bags on as checked luggage? Gerald
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Going on a 10 day cruise next week & T.A. just told us we are only allowed ONE carry on & a hand bag or camera bag is now considered the ONE carry on? (US AIR out of PHILLY). On web site US AIR states TWO carry ons & one checked? Who is right? Do i have to run out & buy two giant bags for checked luggage & hope they don’t get lost or damaged? MACAW
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[ snipped ] :>It does happen, however, that occasionally the security people are paranoid :>enough that all passengers have to troop down to the tarmac as they board the :>flight, and identify their luggage as being theirs before it is loaded. This is :>uncommon, though. This is common to ELAL, when connecting to them from a non-ELAL flight. If one checks in to ELAL, they do not need you to identify your bags later. :>Of course, none of this really protects against a suicide bomber, or a corrupt :>ramp agent who just loads on his friend’s bomb. ELAL asks you to open your bag and check to see if things were moved around. That will protect against a ramp agent (from the other airline). — http://www.dissensoftware.com
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>Yeah, that makes sense, but how do the people checking the bags know >that X person is on said flight or that the bag was just delayed? I >guess I’m wondering where/when this "matching" takes place. I would >think that to match the bags, even on the initial flight, they’d have >to have the people actually *loading* (or the point at which the bags >get onto the truck to go to the plane) cross-checking with the list at >the gate of people who have actually boarded, since one could check in >then not board. (How long do they hold up a plane if someone checks in >but doesn’t board?) But I guess my question is, how is it clear that >a particular bag has just been delayed? Is it just a matter of >checking the flight number on the bag, and if it’s different, assume >it’s because the bag’s been delayed? I’m not arguing at all, I’m >just curious as to how this works.
They don’t do it from the _bag_ point of view: they do it from the _passenger_ point of view. If a passenger checks in for a flight but does not board, they can ask the computer whether he/she checked any bags. If not, the flight just goes without them. If so, they’ll hold the plane a few more minutes and make multiple announcements with the effect of "Mr. Bell, please board flight 155 RIGHT NOW. If you do not, your bags will be offloaded and the plane will go without you." (you’ll hear this quite commonly at European airports). If the pax still doesn’t turn up, then the ramp people will go and search the hold and remove the bags. This takes a while as they don’t generally know where in the hold the bags are, but they know how many bags were checked and what the tag numbers were (that’s part of the computer record). So there’s generally no need to monitor bags as they are loaded. A passenger checking in but failing to board is a rare enough occurrence that they can just offload the bags (with a significant delay, of course) when it happens. It does happen, however, that occasionally the security people are paranoid enough that all passengers have to troop down to the tarmac as they board the flight, and identify their luggage as being theirs before it is loaded. This is uncommon, though. Of course, none of this really protects against a suicide bomber, or a corrupt ramp agent who just loads on his friend’s bomb. Alistair
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> > The rules state (in Canada that is, after the Air India Bombing) that > baggage of non boarding passengers is to be off-loaded. Doubt if it > is actually done all the time. > If this is the case, how do they deal with bags that are delayed? i.e. > Person makes the connection, the bag doesn’t and gets sent on a later > flight – but then on that flight, the bag loaded wouldn’t match the > passenger list. Since the delay/losing of bags is a daily occurrence, > surely matching the baggage to the passenger list must not be standard > practice. Or am I missing something?
It’s not really a big deal. Consider the reason for bag-matching, which is to prevent a "passenger" from *deliberately* getting his baggage on a flight on which he doesn’t fly, in other words, to ensure that all passengers are at least *willing* to fly with their bags. If a bag then gets delayed for reasons outside the passenger’s control, the flight on which the bag travels is at no greater risk from the bag than the passenger thinks his own flight is. The initial leg is *much* more important, since that is where a "passenger" could otherwise get his bag aboard and then "decide" not to fly himself.
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> It’s not really a big deal. > Consider the reason for bag-matching, which is to prevent a "passenger" > from *deliberately* getting his baggage on a flight on which he doesn’t > fly, in other words, to ensure that all passengers are at least > *willing* to fly with their bags. > If a bag then gets delayed for reasons outside the passenger’s control, > the flight on which the bag travels is at no greater risk from the bag > than the passenger thinks his own flight is. > The initial leg is *much* more important, since that is where a > "passenger" could otherwise get his bag aboard and then "decide" not to > fly himself.
Yeah, that makes sense, but how do the people checking the bags know that X person is on said flight or that the bag was just delayed? I guess I’m wondering where/when this "matching" takes place. I would think that to match the bags, even on the initial flight, they’d have to have the people actually *loading* (or the point at which the bags get onto the truck to go to the plane) cross-checking with the list at the gate of people who have actually boarded, since one could check in then not board. (How long do they hold up a plane if someone checks in but doesn’t board?) But I guess my question is, how is it clear that a particular bag has just been delayed? Is it just a matter of checking the flight number on the bag, and if it’s different, assume it’s because the bag’s been delayed? I’m not arguing at all, I’m just curious as to how this works. C.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > This brings up a good question. Do they hold up the flights until they > > make sure they match up all loaded luggage to every passenger on board? > > If not, they may inadvertently be giving terrorists another way to get > > an undetectable bomb on a plane without having to board the plane. All > > he/she has to do is be at the end of a long security line and miss the > > flight. > > Mary > and SEA had ridiculous security lines during normal conditions this summer > — can’t imagine it now > The rules state (in Canada that is, after the Air India Bombing) that > baggage of non boarding passengers is to be off-loaded. Doubt if it is > actually done all the time. > PMM
If this is the case, how do they deal with bags that are delayed? i.e. Person makes the connection, the bag doesn’t and gets sent on a later flight – but then on that flight, the bag loaded wouldn’t match the passenger list. Since the delay/losing of bags is a daily occurrence, surely matching the baggage to the passenger list must not be standard practice. Or am I missing something? cjr
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> >The rules state (in Canada that is, after the Air India Bombing) that >baggage of non boarding passengers is to be off-loaded. Doubt if it is >actually done all the time. > Many other countries have been doing it as a matter of course for > years. Time for the US to get with the programme.
Probably 5 years ago I sat on a United plane at IAD while they went through the luggage in the hold. The flight was a "through" one from the west coast with a change of equipment at IAD and apparently a through passenger hadn’t reboarded … or something like that. Also had a similar delay at Bordeaux on Air Inter some years earlier. All the baggage came out of the hold and went back in.
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I think thats a good ida but an long wait but they hafe too
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